pwalpwal

chuckebaby


I don't remember plug ins being "killed" I could be wrong, do you have a link to that ?

https://steamcommunity.com/games/543510/announcements/detail/282995674662732546 for example

I edited my previous posts. It was only some systems. 4 plug ins.

• CA-2A
• Rapture Pro
• Rapture Session
• Z3TA+2

yeah, some systems running win10
 
don't underestimate how reliant sonar is on certain windows things, this update didn't seem to affect anyone else in daw/plugin dev land
 

My main issue is that at some point an update will likely break SONAR, or it will fall behind to the point where it feels dated, and you will want to update to a new DAW.  Or some bug drives you crazy enough to make you switch.
 
Nothing you can do about all the projects you've done to date, but if you get 5 years down the road from now with 100s more projects in SONAR and no fix/update path you may be really sorry ;)
 
Again, freezing your DAW as-is is a perfectly valid way to go, though I just came across an annoying automation bug yesterday, and it was even more annoying not to be able to report it and to know that it will never be fixed.

CoteRotie
Again, freezing your DAW as-is is a perfectly valid way to go,

what about g.a.s.??!?

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” - Mark Twain.
 
I don't see anything going wrong with Sonar and I don't plan on changing unless I have to go to a different OS and SPlat doesn't work anymore. And, if the authorization servers go down, I'm sure it will be cracked. Before the mods get in an uproar about mention of using cracks let me say this, if Sonar is abandoned and there is no support for a product we paid for, it is legal, per the DMCA, for the copyright protections to be cracked.

pwalpwal

Cactus Music
Why do people think that W10 updates are going to kill Sonar? Did they ever kill Sonar 6?? People still use that version. 
I don't like W10 so I've gone back to W8.1 Best of both worlds. Not that I think W10 will break Sonar.. I just don't like what it keeps doing to everything else in my system. 
 
There are a few myths flying around that are making some people panic. And the W10 update is one of them,, a myth. 

a win10 update recently killed cakewalk plugins due to a change in thread timing initialization, older versions like s6 don't rely on the more-frequently-changing windows os like the current splat version does... it's not a myth, but it's also not guaranteed to happen either... and if it "keeps doing" stuff to everything else on your system, how long before sonar is also affected?

I'll pile on with this...
 
Microsoft has embarked on a rapid cycle of OS upgrades with the new Windows 10 update scheme.  Rather than putting an emphasis on OS stability, which is where it should be, we get an OS upgrade every 6 months or so.  Anniversary, Creators, Fall Creators, etc., are each like a new version of Windows.  This aggressive upgrading of features is de-stabilizing for all Windows users, not just for DAWs.  Lots of folks have commented on system settings reverting to defaults, or driver changes, etc.  I cannot understand the new MS direction at all...
 
We are now going to see the OS change bi-annually, where in the past major service packs and upgrades only occurred once every few years.  So change will occur much faster now.  It will not be like in the past where things kept running for years by default.
 
So eventually various programming libraries, API's, and such may change, and if your application is not kept current, it will eventually become deprecated by default, if the OS no longer supports legacy code.  Your applications must constantly be kept up to date, so you either need to be on a supported application platform, or freeze your system.
 
The monthly update thing is basically same as ever, except all the bug fixes and security patches are rolled up together, so you don't get to pick and choose individual patches, but that's not the biggie.

pwalpwal
yeah, some systems running win10
 
don't underestimate how reliant sonar is on certain windows things, this update didn't seem to affect anyone else in daw/plugin dev land
 

I agree with you. it did effect user and a lot of them too.
But if its only 4 plug ins and 60% of users, my chances are good .
 
TBH Paul, im still running Windows 8.1 (on my workstation) and will stay here on that using Sonar.
If or when you switch to another DAW, I wish you luck. I've enjoyed our conversations over the years.
Its been real, and I mean that.

I had the intention to move all of my work over to another daw and start to get away from Sonar. The reality is I just gravitate to Sonar for mixing and recording. As it stands everything I need in Sonar works and I can do it better and faster.
To those who wonder why we can't get away from one daw and work in other daws, I certainly can when forced to do so.I have a few now that I could cross over to. But why would I? 
 
It will probably take something bad happening for me to stop using my Sonar. When that happens I'll be reluctantly ready. That doesn't mean I won't use other daws for their particular strengths now.
 
If anyone out there is possibly considering acquisition of Sonar, know this. We picked it because we like it. To us daws are not totally generic in the sense that they can all do everything. In that regard Sonar is/was very unique and has a large following of those who appreciate those differences and use them  every day with great success. 
 
I'm still holding on to the hope that maybe Sonar will be picked up by someone who cares code intact and be further updated into the future. 
 
That much is still possible if not probable.
 
 

lmbell40
For those who are, eventually, leaving SONAR, do you have any recommendations for new DAW's? I'm torn and not sure where to start investing time. I've been with SONAR forever and I know all good things must come to an end but where to next?

I did the demo thing on a few and some I like and some I dont.
Its all personal preference. I dont like Studio one but others love it, I personally like mixcraft and I believe Reaper has melodyne 4 ara integration now and Reaper is like only $60 and You can Demo for like 60 days I believe
Take a day and explore. Its kinda fun actually!

I threw in my towel as soon as I read the announcement.
 
Gibson's actions just acted as a catalyst for a decision I'd been mulling over for a while. I've had Reaper installed side by side for a while as something "useful to have". I realise just how useful it was!

I have 2 EPs and 2 albums worth of material to move to Reaper projects. My plan is to just export everything as audio with automation printed (but no FX) and stick the projects in Reaper in that form. It gives me scope for running off stems and backing tracks, which is all I need. Anything new I work on is done in Reaper.