2012/12/20 03:02:17
craigb
Where did you hear they do that?  I know spiders can read it which is why it's there, but we don't want to annoy the customers with all that noise.  I guess if I have to I can leave it a small font and make it a light grey...
2012/12/20 03:20:11
sharke
I've heard it a number of times when researching SEO, and I think I even heard Matt Cutts from Google talk about it in one of his SEO videos. It used to be a very popular way to stuff pages with keywords and they caught onto it very quickly. 

It's amazing some of the lengths the Google algorithm will go to to spot hidden text. People have tried using very sneaky and clever javascript and yet Google still catches it because their parser executes it and understands exactly what it's doing. So one thing to bear in mind is that having the text the same color as the background is probably the easiest thing for Google to catch, whether you set the color in the HTML or in a CSS style. 

Knowing Google, they probably go so far as to measure the contrast between text and background color. So if your background is $FFFF and your text is $FFFE, they're going to know that it's a very low contrast that is invisible to most people. 

Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much about having that text visible It doesn't detract from the content and people are used to seeing some kind of small print at the bottom of the page. Besides, it's actually relevant content. You have a page which is for a particular brand of car, and you're just clarifying which models that brand encompasses. It's not as if it's a nonsensical list of keywords. But yeah, it's probably going to look better in a lighter color than the main content...just not too much lighter. 

One thing I came to terms with through designing a couple of sites over the years is that there is always a trade-off between your ideal design and SEO considerations. It affects the style of your copy and also the layout. Your SEO optimized page is never going to look or read exactly how you'd prefer in the absence of SEO. The art is to balance the two so that you get good ranking while at the same time making sense to the visitor. 

2012/12/20 03:27:25
backwoods
Yeah, google sees all and knows all

And make sure you hit the customers from many angles too craig, not just main website.

It looks really good to me BTW
2012/12/20 03:29:07
craigb
Yep - just did some checking...  Oh well, it's for the use of the customer so I guess they'll just have to live with some fine print.  What sucks is that I now have an addition 3-4 hours of busy work (at least)...
2012/12/20 03:36:22
sharke
craigb


Yep - just did some checking...  Oh well, it's for the use of the customer so I guess they'll just have to live with some fine print.  What sucks is that I now have an addition 3-4 hours of busy work (at least)...

LOL - it's like decorating a house. You get the main bulk of the work done relatively quickly....and then you spend the next 4 months on small "touch up" jobs that seem to have no end in sight. You finish one and then you find another one that needs doing. Just the nature of things I suppose....
2012/12/20 05:06:10
craigb
I just finished cleaning up the categories...

Now I "only" have about 160 products that need to be fixed and are going to look like crap.  Google says if it's hidden it's not what the users want it's only there for SEO.  Well, in our case, it's defiitely there for both.  The customer wants to find exactly the part they need but, even people in the business, call the same part by a lot of different names!  Add to that all the misspellings (like the dealership guy who found us by using "fastner" instead of "fastener").  So, yeah, the customers DO want this, but they don't want to have to see it messing up their screens...

Stupid Google nonsense...  I wanted to go to sleep hours ago.
2012/12/20 08:58:31
craigb
And now I'm also DONE (for the moment anyway - lol).  I've got all of my enhancements and have incorporated all the great feedback I've gotten from others.  Then I did an SEO scan to see how much I had improved things (the tools is from Go Daddy but the number comes from Google):

First scan:


 
After fixing about 40 minor issues that the first scan found (the rest are pretty much unfixable by me with the Quick Shopping Cart tool), here's scan #2!
 

 
Needless to say, I'm pretty happy with the results.   Thanks to those who provided feedback!
2012/12/20 09:06:47
lostandconfused
Hi Craig,

Done.

Nitpicking: "This website is... but..." these clauses should be reversed and possibly re-written.  Get your positive in first, those in a hurry might not pass  "but".

Regards,


Vincent.

2012/12/20 10:06:17
craigb
lostandconfused


Hi Craig,

Done.

Nitpicking: "This website is... but..." these clauses should be reversed and possibly re-written.  Get your positive in first, those in a hurry might not pass  "but".

Regards,


Vincent.


Right you are!  But, it's not my wording so I'll have to see if the owner minds if I correct his grammar - heh...  Thanks for checking it out!
2012/12/20 11:22:36
sharke
I'm not sure if you even need to include spelling mistakes for SEO purposes these days, because Google automatically corrects them when you search. For example, if I search for "Justin Bieber is a bufoon" Google delivers me results for "Justin Bieber is a buffoon" instead. It works for brand names as well, e.g. "Kodac Cameras" is automatically changed to "Kodak Cameras." Might want to look into whether or not Google is automatically correcting the misspellings you're including as hidden content, because if it is then there is no need to get yourself potentially penalized by hiding stuff. 
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