I'd just pick one small nit with you Craig, ol pal.  It is nature which is absolute...not us mere mortals.  Nature behaves as it will. We may not yet know how this or that happens or comes into being but it is the inexorable proceeding and processing done in a very black and white basis by nature itself that's responsible.  ones and zeros, if you will.  Entropy either can or can't be reversed.  It is we dimbulb humans that are (at the very least) "50 shades of grey";-)

I must say I am very disappointed in reading this thread. Let us not take this awful thing that happened to vent about our views on religion, science, guns or any of that sort of thing. This was an evil, wicked act carried out by a man that was somehow touched by evil itself. Whatever you believe can we all agree that this was wrong and simply mourn those children? Perhaps time will tell if this young man was simply evil or ill or insane but what he did was pure evil and let us leave it at that. There is plenty of evil in this world, I have seen it first hand. I work with people who have been abused, raped, and have had unthinkable things happen to them. I have almost been killed myself trying to protect refugees in Uganda while working in a relief camp there as people around me were hacked to death. We can argue about what brings people to this place and where evil come from but at the end of the day their actions are simply evil and the deeds they commit are unthinkable to most of us. Let those of us who can protect, protect and let those of us who can comfort comfort those that have lost. Someday I am sure that we will all know who is right about God and science and there is a time and place to debate these things and in fact it is one of my favorite things to do. However now is the time to mourn as a nation and I doubt if here is the place to find the solution to all the worlds problems. Peace.

Where is the place?

SteveStrummerUK

 
 
I'm perfectly happy for religious people to believe what they want. But I don't want what they believe to have any influence whatsoever on the laws I have to obey, or to have their particular versions of biology and history taught as facts to my kids at school. 
  
 

Ya know I love ya, Steve, but this is complete and utter hogwash.
 
For the most part, Laws are simply the codification of morality.
 
Most people's morality is informed by their religious upbringing/religious thinking.
 
There is little hope of ever completely disentangling the two.

Where is the place?


I suppose somewhere where talk of religion/politics is not expressly forbidden :)

There a tons of political sites out there. The thing I like about this forum is I can come here and shed the bulk of my views and politics (of which I am VERY passionate about) and get down to the meat of making music. I know I talk to folks every day on here who I would be at complete odds with in regards to our personal belief systems. But all that doesn't matter here... or at least for the most part it doesn't.

What I see here is well meaning people shocked, lashing out and saying things that could quite possibly damage our overall discussion on music production.

If the mods aren't paying attention then PLEASE, guys... let's try to stay cool. This was a very sad event. We are all upset about it. Let's not ruin our little slice of the internet over it. Do whatever you gotta do to cope but attacking each ain't gonna bring those kids back. Maybe we can organize a collab to benefit the families or to support aid to the mentally ill. We seem to have the passion and we certainly have the talent. That would be far more productive.

Peace.

yorolpal


I'd just pick one small nit with you Craig, ol pal.  It is nature which is absolute...not us mere mortals.  Nature behaves as it will. We may not yet know how this or that happens or comes into being but it is the inexorable proceeding and processing done in a very black and white basis by nature itself that's responsible.  ones and zeros, if you will.  Entropy either can or can't be reversed.  It is we dimbulb humans that are (at the very least) "50 shades of grey";-)

I think you just proved Rain's point my 'ol pal! 

I don't know if there is a place anymore. What I mean by that is that we hold such different views of the world that I do not know if we can agree on a solution or even a cause. I have already seen the postmodern mindset displayed here that says that all viewpoints are valid and equal. That is simply not true. Right is right and wrong is wrong. I once had a young man tell me that he believed in this type of worldview. I said next time you have a math test in school answer all the questions wrong and tell your teacher that those answers are right for you. He got my point. Not all answers are valid and true. Granted, the circumstances here are much more complicated than 2 plus 2 equals 4 and we will never agree on the cause. Some will say it is because of a lack of gun control yet in China the same day as the events in CT happened a man went into a school there and  killed a bunch of people with a knife (didn't pay as much attention to the details there but the point is he didn't have a gun yet did a similar thing). So it's not just guns that are the problem. Others will say religion is the prolem and still others broken homes while others will argue that upbringing has nothing to do with it and religion is the cure or as I heard today an armed guard at the front of the school to shoot this guy as he broke through the glass. So some say less guns, others more guns. Same goes with the arguments about God and science as has crept into the conversation here. How many understand that under the laws of physics there should be no stars? Yet there they are in defiance of the laws of physics. Star creation depends on stars being present. Yet how were the first stars created before there were any stars? Unless something has come out in recent years, no one has a good answer. Macro evolution is painfully difficult to prove while micro evolution is all around us which is consistant with the Bible (Micro that is). In the end we typically cling to our own views without stopping to think about how they were formed and if they are accurate. Most people do not know why they believe what they believe. They simply believe it without taking the time to deeply and truly understand the facts surrounding their beliefs (I do find many here the exception to that rule). Until we can begin to look at all sides of the argument and take into consideration what is true and what is not I do not know a place where we can find solutions to the most difficult problems that plague us.
 
 

Perhaps I have at that:-)

yorolpal


Perhaps I have at that:-)

Having Gretchen pour a long cool one doesn't work for me though.