As a person who fixes things I  try to rationalize it and fix it. At least make some kind of sense out of what happened.

    I understand anyone who tries in their way to make sense of what happened and possibly prevent it happening again.This is my only motive.

  So I see no problem with dialog to look into what happened here in addition to the grief and sympathy felt . I never intended to argue or rile anyone up about what I think some of the problems and fixes are.

   Steve maybe I misunderstood your post, the inference I got from it was that religious or Christian people  blindly follow what their religion teaches.Some probably do. Not me though.

 You asked me a few questions like how do I rationalize changes in organisms. Simple...its called adaptation, or what I think agape calls micro evolution. You asked me if I wasn't an animal what was I? I am a soul with a body. Think of the body as the hardware and the soul as the software that runs on it.Teach a kid that he is ONLY an animal and bad things can happen IMHO repeat IMHO.Yes we ARE animals but  so much more. Notice I am not demanding you or anyone else  believe it ok? Was indoctrination too strong a term? Did I expect a confrontation over it?Not really...It's just my beliefs/opinions.

   How is any of this relevant to this tragedy? In this case maybe not at all, but  the fact that it could be makes it relevant to the discussion.

  One of the other posters said the shooter was mentally unstable. That would certainly go a long way toward explaining what happened. Strangest insanity I have ever seen though. A mellow fellow all of a sudden becomes a violent criminal..*whew*

  It is obvious in my opinion that the educational system and its methods should be looked at as one of the factors,maybe only a small contributor but valid just the same and the whole reason I raised it up to be looked at amongst other things.

 It is odd that in quite a few of these cases the violence is planned to happen inside an educational institution. What is the common thread there, or is there one?

  Greggy asked some provocative questions a few pages up about some of the more unusual things about this. I don't know many middle aged women who have an AK 47 at home. I would like to know more about this.
 
It was said that the recent Colorado shooting in a theatre here in the US  was a setup. I'm not sure what to make of that either. I'm not saying I buy into this but it is an interesting read.http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

 In several cases there are drastric departures from the persons normal personality. In the Nickel mine shootings about six years ago , the perpetrator was a family guy who drove a milk truck with no violent history. The unusual things happening in some of these cases make looking into some of the weirder possibilities something I am kicking and screaming to run from but can't always rule out.

Knowing more about something might help you to understand it for the benefit to yourself or others, and you don't know how much of it is in your hands until you know what it is. I believe that "it" is the culmination of things that have been happening now for quite some time.

 The discussion happening in hindsight is only damage control and future planning. Prevention at the front end makes more sense.

Welp... looks like the mother was a paranoid doomsday prepper and had a stockpile of guns which the son used. 

The political dialogue is gonna get extra derpy now.

*sigh*

Starise

 In several cases there are drastric departures from the persons normal personality. In the Nickel mine shootings about six years ago , the perpetrator was a family guy who drove a milk truck with no violent history. The unusual things happening in some of these cases make looking into some of the weirder possibilities something I am kicking and screaming to run from but can't always rule out.

Let's face it, any act of mass killing is going to be a "drastic departure from the person's normal personality." I can't imagine someone shooting 20+ people and then his neighbors saying "yeah well that's Chuck to a tee...always spraying crowds with gunfire!"


And I don't think they would have to have had a violent personality either. Sometimes people keep stuff bottled up for years and never express it physically. Then one day it catches up with them and they snap. One thing in common with all of these mass killers is that they had some kind of psychological problem that was building up inside of them. The Nickel Mine shooter had some issues going on whereby he'd claimed to have molested some kids years ago and was thinking of doing it again. 

Janet


I haven't read through all this thread, but thought I'd comment after something I heard today.  

One man in Newton couldn't sleep Friday night and wondered what he could do.  Finally, he thought of something.  The next morning he took his dog down to the local donut shop where he knew lots would be congregating and talking.   He sat outside with a sign that said 'My bulldog gives free hugs.'  Over 100 people got a hug from him and his dog.

For some reason, that brought tears to my eyes like the news hasn't.

That's because the guy is thinking about people and not ratings.  Good story!

 Sorry Beep. I didn't say I was buying any of it. Remember when the gov't slipped drugs to unknowing people? Just sayin'. In this case I doubt it....in all of them...can we be certain?
 
 Sharke I agree although I don't think that the general profile matches up well with past profiles of most murderers. I think its a little unusual that in every case the person seems to be the quiet type. Yeah I guess the Nickel Mines shooter had some past issues. Maybe I'm reading more into it than is there.

@Starise... Huh? No, seriously her friends and others who knew her confirmed it. She was paranoid about the collapse of society, had stockpiles of food and stuff and took her kids to the shooting range. Nothing wrong with prepping but she doesn't sound like she was particularly stable herself. A lot of people are being misled to believe some very whacked out shiz and it's getting dangerous. I just hope this snaps some folks back into reality... but I doubt it.

It'll be interesting to see what the ex-husband has to say about all this. He's some kind of big mucky muck at GE and was paying her an ENORMOUS alimony. 

 Sorry Beep I misunderstood I thought it was a little sarcasm.

Naw... I can't muster up any snark or even levity about this. It's just messed up all around. 

All I can say to everyone is hug your kids, neices, nephews, grandkids, etc, try to see things from the other side of things in everyday life, be nice to each other even when it's difficult and press your local, state, federal officials to DO something... ANYTHING to provide some help to the mentally unstable and cut back the disgusting rhetoric and outright lies that fuel the mistrust and paranoia that lead to this kind of crap.

Also every time you see a reporter lie or spread hate flood their email with disapproval and tell them get back to real journalism or you'll just tune out because they are a huge part of the problem.

Peace.

It will be interesting how this all sorts out, and I do wish that we could actually learn something from it.  As others have posted, one does wonder what might actually be going on.

As for right now, compassion, comfort, and prayers for the hurting matter, not the media crush and spin.

I am also reminded of a line from ye olde philosopher Pogo, "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Beepster


Welp... looks like the mother was a paranoid doomsday prepper and had a stockpile of guns which the son used. 

The political dialogue is gonna get extra derpy now.

*sigh*

Derpy?, +1 yes they're already gone extra derpy. 



I read about that and also remember watching (for a very brief period) a show; Doomsday Preppers, those kids looked depressed and very concerned.  Anyway; I gave my opinion about Dec 21 in another thread.
Media aren't helping!  Also read about other incidents; attempted (planned) shootings in IL and a shooting at a mall in CA. 

My belief is that the world is not going to end but is at risk IF the derps continue with false and misleading information.  There needs to be focus on immediate 'real' issues such as; health, well-being; to avoid a depression.  There needs to be more optimism; we need to hold on to hope and faith, we also need to eliminate greed and selfishness; the gap between the rich and poor needs to be closed along with eliminating poverty; hardship.  

Mental Disabilities need to be looked at much more seriously and dealt with effectively.  I also believe there are delusional twisted minds being fed by all the hype that surround doomsday; apocalypse and money that's been made by all this.  Can't wait till Dec' 21 has passed but then I thought; oh crap; next year they'll dig up new ideas to feed doomsayers, new books, new documentaries and movies; 2013 The Year that Ends.  13 The Unlucky Number.  13 Signs of The Apocalypse, and so on and so forth. 

What happened in CT has left deep scars :(  these families of the victims need comfort and support.  There needs to be faith, hope and strength for these people to cope with what's happened so they can begin the process of healing.  Just writing this is hard; I can't help crying, I can't imagine what these families are going thru now, Christmas season this year has been terribly shaken. My heart goes out to those very sadly effected by all this.