Sharke you make a great point about the hood.I think it ties into the discussion here. The hood is a group who have decided to make their own moral code.As is very apparent it doesn't work extremely well.

 Strum  I think we all have an inner moral compass with or without religious rules. As you can see in the example of the hood imperfect men can easily skew it up.

 The legal system in both Britain and the US is based on the 10 commandments.I believe we need judges and jails.

 The whole idea that we are nothing but a mutated by chance happening
goes against the very science that tests it.This is another deep subject regarding decades of misinformation.

 Good kids come from bad families,bad kids come from good families. There is the ideal situation and the one we live with or adjust to.In recent decades the ideal has been replaced.Stability and nurture are what kids need. I happen to think that the stability of a church is helpful to a family and to kids.I don't think it's the only thing though.

 I won't detract from the enormity of this event or take away from the tragedy by getting into arguments over what religion has or hasn't done for humankind.The points you make are all easily rebuttable but this isn't the place or time IMO. If you want to carry on I'll be happy to PM.

 

 

 

NYC had its first crime free day, ever.  No stabbings, no slashings no shootings.  I remember hearing that about a week before and feeling a little uplifted......and then this.

I think that statistically, the over all level of violent crime is getting lower in the US, even through a particularly harsh recession.  However when one of these horrific tragedies occurs it makes one feel that things are getting worse. 

As many have stated, there is no single reason, no one thing to fix.  We all need to stay involved in our childrens lives (not just your own chilren) and teach them non-violent ways to solve things.  Especially teach them how to handle dissapointments and the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" and not let them fester into rage and pointless violence. 

JR

Starise

 
The legal system in both Britain and the US is based on the 10 commandments.I believe we need judges and jails.  

How did humanity manage before Moses returned down the mountain with the 10 Commandments?
 
 
 

The whole idea that we are nothing but a mutated by chance happening
goes against the very science that tests it.This is another deep subject regarding decades of misinformation.
 

You can see evolution in action for yourself. You don't need scientists to prove it to you. Just watch a hospital ward for a few years - you'll notice that pathogenic micro-organisms become immune to disinfectants in quite a short time. How do you believe they are changing? Which is most likely - that organisms that are rendered immune to the chemicals designed to destroy them by genetic mutations and miscoding, or that a new immune species is 'created' every so often?
 
It never ceases to amaze me how believers are willing to accept every conceivable scientific theory except those that don't agree with scripture? No doubt you use electricity in your home, drive a car maybe, and operate a PC and a cell phone? You obviously accept the scientific research and theories that make these things possible?
 
And just who do you suspect of being responsible for these "decades of misinformation"? The Government? All governments in collusion? Who else would be capable of instigating and then maintaining the global teaching of lies to us and our children? Or maybe the scientists themselves? Why on earth would someone decide to devote their life to science when really all they want to do is deliberately hide the 'truth'. As far as I can see in both the UK and in the US, anyone can train to become a scientist. So even the most devout amongst us could decide to go undercover and begin a lifetime in research. Surely there would come a day when you get a knock on the door and someone tells you that you have to ignore all your findings of what's going on in the 'real' world, and start outputting scientific papers and theories that only agree with the party line. Then you'd have all the proof you need, and 'poof', the truth would be out. But it's never happened, has it? You can only go so far in promulgating a lie and telling people how to think.
 
And what possibly could be the motive for the disinformation, for lying to the masses? Who exactly stands to gain from it?
 
 

Good kids come from bad families,bad kids come from good families. There is the ideal situation and the one we live with or adjust to.In recent decades the ideal has been replaced.Stability and nurture are what kids need. I happen to think that the stability of a church is helpful to a family and to kids.I don't think it's the only thing though. 
 

Well, as I intimated before, organised religion is possibly the worst source of morality for humanity over the past 2000 years. I mean where do you want to start with this? The Crusades? Witch hunts? The Inquisition?
 
 

Why are we arguing religion in this thread? 

Friendships can be severly damaged by the words in this thread alone. 

I thought this thread was lamenting the loss of children in a horrible act of violence?

Word of God, Laws of Physics/Nature.
 
Are we not just using different labels to describe the same things and then fighting over the nomenclature.
 
How does a prayer differ from wishing someone well?
 
I'm a gnostic, a believer but of no specific religion although I was brought up with Christian sensibilities.
 
Science does wonderful things alongside a crock of horse doo, much like the Church as far as I can tell, but you do have to ask yourself at times where do those 'inspired' ideas come from, and why isn't science cannot explain but a tiny proportion of what already is?
 
Deciding that people that have beliefs condone slavery or the raping of children is about as constructive as Shad's earlier dismissal of America.

If people are going to throw out inflammatory statements like 'indoctrination' Reece, they're bound to get challenged.

I shake my head when people come out with contentious statements and then don't expect another point of view to be aired, retreating into the 'I'm not going to argue' corner.

This thread will no doubt be locked tomorrow.

Precisely James.
 
Theological debate has been going on for centuries and nothing has ever come out of it.
 
I'm just glad that there is a consitency in human nature that is able to show a common outpouring of grief and sense of tragedy when something as horrific as this happens.
 
I hope the thread gets deleted, I had hoped to see a place to share the pain I figured most of us will be feeling, not a venue to argue the toss.  I'd rather do that kind of thing in a debate about which headphones to choose. 

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These block out most of the noise and let me play to the beat of my own drummer.


People that have allowance for other people to have pluralistic experience don't see any need to argue or substantiate their viewpoint.


I can be right for me, and you can be right for you. One person's right doesn't make the other person's right wrong.


Having issues understanding that is a sign of weakness. That is my "right"... if someone else does not agree, there's nothing to argue about. They can be right too.


Grow up. Get a pair. These headphones are the best.




ya'll the best,
mike

People that have allowance for other people to have pluralistic experience don't see any need to argue or substantiate their viewpoint.

 
That is my argument about choice entirely.  Don't take anyone's word, especially not a self-appointed experts' view, do your research and make decisions based on your own experience.  Whatever works best for you IS best for you. 
 
Thanks for the reminder.  As well as underpinning my views about headphone choices.

mike_mccue




These headphones are the best.

They might be 'your' best, but they ain't 'my' best.


Don't argue about it either, that'd be weak.