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2013/09/30 17:52:53
Sir Les
Ok...I turned this to "keep current" instead of "Force bios" in bios boot setting: addOn Rom display mode.
this seems to help speed past the usb detection, and all that bios stuff just flies by now.
this in accordance with quick boot bios setting also, and disabling screen logo...also turned off wait F1 error.
 
Yah baby..now she boots way faster ..this is what a ssd is suppose to boot like.
 
So slowly I am solving my own problems....THANKS LES YOUR THE BEST....Shhh Don't tell anyone....LoL
2013/10/01 05:59:43
Bristol_Jonesey
Glad you're making progress Les.
2013/10/01 10:35:15
Mesh
Don't forget, we're always here for you in supporting, encouraging, and motivating you to troubleshoot your own issues and solve them.  
 
Ps.
I too like these SSD drives.....my boot up time is about 7-9 secs and everything is just "snappy".
2013/10/01 11:38:05
Sir Les
Well Now, this thought distraction is instigating more thought processing.
 
Thank You all for the kind and thoughtful merry merriment round the table.
Let us Pray for the day ahead, and with thanks for the givens, and bought and brought foreward, revealed,and that which is disposed of, goes to good use else where....In Jesus Name.
 
Well I do not think I am at 9 sec boot time...Not sure why...(when do you start counting? )..But it is faster than 3 minutes..(i start counting at the pushing of the on button)..and that is a plus here..so I count my blessings as they come..I think I got it down considerably..PAT PAT.
 
I did all I can do, that I can understand need be done...did some test of about 1 hour straight recording, No glitches, or hick ups...So far...So I installed Sonar x3a...in part last night...will finish up today...
 
WD Net 4 frame usb patch worked wonders...usb access is just as fast as my hard drives now...and that helps with libraries and content and loops..stream
 
Tonight I got a 2 hour session with "Phat Jesus"...So that will put it to the test...wink..Yes wine will be served.
 
AND in hopes...we remember "LES" of me, and more of helping others, that windows installs firewall, and virus protection, and other apps install updating services that run in background upon boot up.....and turning them off helps speed all the rest up!
Also using the Bios to turn off things redundant in setup.
 
And knowing what is what , and where is where, by reading the manuals/youtube vids..and ask@ anyother place but here...so as to not disturb others on the cakewalk forums.
 
The Problem I foresee...Is I turned off something (service or app) a plug in or the software might rely on....that is what I think I am trying to avoid by posting something like this in asking CAKEWALK FORUMIES....
 
But none the Les...it goes on unaddressed!
 
Again Thanks for the Looking glass!
 
Blessings!
 
Sir Les
 
 
2013/10/02 18:11:09
Old55
Glad you're making progress.  Besides turning off the virus protection, have you tried turning off the Firewall?  Sorry I can't be of more help than that.  
2013/10/05 11:07:52
Sir Les
Ok there are a few services left to ponder more....and when I try to turn them off, I get warning messages "not to" cause some services are necessary for Win 7 to work/ or something else in use ..or, something tied to that service is in use...So I left them on.
 
Session test done Wednesday...
Now I  did the buffer size at 1024, and set 9600khz thingy , and recorded 24bit, 15 tracks at once,to a sata 3 Wd black 1tb drive seemingly without seeing the CPU , hard drive meter monitor  spike in sonar....That is a good thing right?....SO we are making progressions here slowly over long periods of time.....
 
But upon playback...I get drop outs, and anomalies still heard in the recordings here and there....perhaps turning down the buffer more?...Nah you think?..If drop outs and anomalies are occurring should we not turn up the buffer?
 
Wish someone would help out with a standard list of " what is necessary for SONAR and WINDOWs 7 and devices installed and or plugins " in terms of services necessary to be left on or turned off ....
 
Still have no clue of the method...if this happens at all levels of buffer sizes on my system there has to be a root cause..... something is causing cpu requests on recording time...is my only assumption left to phantom.
 
Not much left to turn off though...Just a couple of things.
 
Yes firewall was turned off, and windows essentials was also,  ..I did find essentials back on just shortly into posting on this page, and I mention it...and firewall also was on...and I mentioned it above, and turned all that off, after doing the Update everything method of madness...So it may have been reactivated to updating the system...as I always do the win security updates, cause I have to connect it to the internet sometimes to post Speccy info, and be at that system to show and tell forumies of the problems...
 
But firewall is off now,and internet nic and onboard audio, and a Jmb x3x HD controller, are turned off through Bios, and she is running lean as I can get it without warning messages popping up after tweaking the MSconfig and Computer/manage/services page!....I did reinstate VT tech in Bios..But David from sweetwater sound technician told me in his specified tweek formula..to turn off VT tech in Bios for PT 9.0..as it causes glitches in audio performance....Not sure about Sonar x...so on or off?.
So I guess that some progress is a good thing.?...but perfection in necessary.
 
Are clicks and pops, drop outs and anomalies common place with PCs, and we are just to iron them out with colouration and cut and fill?
 
Could be I should turn down to 44.1 instead of 9600? and 16 bit instead of 24...?..but that would be crippling the said specified capabilities I bought into...for.
 
So now...I find the config services still on, copy the names down, put them into google, and read up.
 
See...this is how I figure.find.forum...it is a cruel method...but atleast enlightenment on what they do can be found out about them.
 
And more is coming on solutions...keep checkin in...and reading the fun filled ongoing mystery !
 
Regards.
Sir Les
2013/10/06 05:15:31
Sir Les
A thought of Thoughts.
 
If I am using SSD For my C: Drive, and SATA 3 6gbps Drive For my Recording Drive...Does the mismatch in read write speed and performance cause a backlog bottleneck in the transmission of Data flow to and fro?
 
In essence should I put a second SSD as my record drive?  to ease any bottlenecks in performance of the two pairings?
And should a new large faster ( above 500gb ) ssd be utilized if so?
I am told the new Samsung drives use a inferior memory chip with less lifespan of the traditional lower state memory commonly used.
Although faster and cheaper..the longevity suffers...what about this kind of pairing?..old to new?
 
Perhaps this is where my root cause is, and is unforeseen by oversight?
 
Just a thought.
 
I have turned off a lot of stuff...some non Microsoft, and some is 3rd party...some stuff I have to leave on...We will see if this renders more positive real results on Tuesday.
But I will dummy test run the system Monday, to see if any problems arise from doing so much tweaking.
 
Thanks to all for the input, and attention.
 
Sir Les
2013/10/06 05:43:22
Sir Les
I will say there is definitely a problem with the onboard nic and the allen and heath drivers or devices...cause when I turn on the nic controller in bios, when booting up...it takes along time for windows to get the internet connection established...and it is slow to respond to input/search and such....Allen and heath have addressed this as unsolvable, and they tell me to turn the Nic off.
 
So this renders other issues, with Sonar saying they support online help, and online functionality as a feature....for the new x3a.
Also I have other programs for music, most of them render to mp3 natively...and cost less.
Sonar x1 cost me 500.00 CAD, and then x2 update cost me a bit more, some more free updates, and now x3a at another cost...and no Mp3 rendering.
 
I tried FLAC lossless compression?...there is no way that I can see like when I render to MP3, to reduce the size of the file of the render...and it comes out larger than allowed to email.
My Wednesday Render in FLAC was 64.4mb.
So how can this file type be posted on Sound cloud, if restrictions to amounts allowed to upload are exceeded?...and if no internet is available due to issues with devices as I have...it is all redundant per say....Right?
 
Just sturring the pot luck lunch...and spewing out my mind to reflect on.
 
Thanks for the listen..and the continued forum to do so.
 
And of course all those who participate in the debates and thoughts towards solutions.
 
Sir Les
2013/10/06 06:08:00
Sir Les
If I make one cpu core not available to sonar... will it default to a windows 7 usage in full?...this might be a solution?...having a dedicated core for windows, and the rest for sonar?...is that possible?,,,if so how?
2013/10/06 06:35:19
Sir Les
Here is something....USB WD My Book Drive, My Sister is using on her Mac Book Pro laptop...is acting odd..and is causing her mac to run slow, and show DRIVE IS FULL messages on her machines internal drive when trying to save to it, and the usb drive, seems to be causing missing folders and content to arise that should be there...but when the USB Drive is removed from the USB Port...The Mac book pro shows the files that went missing, and the drives true state of free space...this occurred a few times, but she did not think it was a problem, till she tried to save a large project with the usb drive in use....Her system went down, and will not boot due to bad sectors and such, and the drive is now over full...according to the tech servicing it...
 
She took it to the mac store, and they are looking into it.
One issue is , I know nothing about Mac machines...but I think PCs have a WD usb My Book just for PC, and another issued state for Mac only...is this the problem?...as she is using a PC version I believe.
 
But I am using the right Version of this rendering on my PC as it is...and I have just witnessed oddities with it, till I did the update firmware, and Patch to the net framework 4.
 
hmmm...this could be another root to something?...people noting missing tracks?...could be.
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