LOUD NOISES!

Crg

 
I hope you filed charges and attempted to sue??? It sounds like you just let it happen. You have to fight crime. Theft of intellectual property and copyright infringement are huge crimes.

This is the long-term crux of arriving at a solution.
 
It's happening more and more that people are becoming more accountable for what they do and say on social network sites and charges are at long last being brought against individuals for slanderous and abusive behaviour.
 
The next step is to pursue individuals that are using the internet as a free for all downloading portal.
 
Unless enforcement starts to happen more frequently to the actual users of internet warez then the trading conditions on the internet must remain non-viable.  It should be persued as vigoursouly as if somebody stole something from someones house.
 
Currently that doesn't appear to be happening, hence you'd be silly currently to be trading on the internet without expecting big losses to theft.
 
You can take down sites that distrubute this stuff it seems but unless you start convicting those actual individuals that are doing the downloading another site will just pop up again serving up the same thing.
 
People are going to be more wary of helping themselves to things if their mate down the street  has just had his computer confiscated and ended up in court and been done for theft. 
 
If a site goes down they will just use another one.  It's those that think its OK to take it because it's there that need to be hit, just like a common shop-lifter would be dealt with.

Yeah, the genie is out of the bottle. Ain't no going back now and the current legislation is useless and heavy handed. I liked the Platinum Samples approach to anti piracy. They apparently embed something into the code that is traceable to the original purchaser so if there is blatant abuse it can be traced back to the source. I had never seen or heard of that before. I can still see a lot of problems that could arise from that but if music/movies had some kind of reg code I'd be okay with that.

Oh and I am very much against going after the downloaders because we've seen enough examples of little Tommy Dipshart using grannies computer to torrent stuff and they end up taking her house. It's too messed up. It's like trying to catch a bathtub of water with your bare hands. Crackdown on the major purveyors and take the rest as the price of doing business. The internet has changed everything. Some things for the better... some for the worse. I think the former outweighs the latter in regards to the betterment of humanity.

Besides... we should all be doing this because we love it. Anything else is a bonus. Creating music has always been a hard life. It's much easier these days.

There ya go Mr Stump has a point, I didn't realise how pissed off the subject gets me and he's quite right I shouldn't be ramming my views down my forum buddies throats.
 
So I put my money where my mouth is and just fired off a note to our freshly appointed police comissioner giving her a link to this thread and the link in the OP to the NVA post.
 
So apologies to anyone that thinks I've been ranting at them and I'm going to be ramming it down her throat from now on.

Wha?!

Pirates are out to kill the artist, not music. We as artists can't do enough to protect our property. Mr. Stump has a point, but what is it? Jonbouy has several points. The point is, you can't pick up the phone and get action on piracy from your local law enforcement. It takes federal-international intervention and finding the bass turds is not easy. I'm for publicly posting their address's and giving them one last chance to pay up. Internet pirates are theives, nothing more. Every fraudulent downloader needs to be arrested and fined.
I could go on.

djwayne


oh boo hoo hoo, record excutives aren't making enough money and the public is ripping them off....boo hoo hoo, did you know one of the top record producers David Geffen has a net worth of 5.6 billion dollars.  I'm really sick of these rich record companies belly aching about "lost 'revenues....

In your opinion, what is the maximum income level that justifies defending your property? How poor do you have to be, to be allowed to say: That's my work, you're not allowed to steal it?



IMO, the most common and most ethically dishonest argument in this kinds of discussions is always taking the millionaires as examples. The thiefs steal the products they like, they don't check the financial backkground of the victim. The newcomers who are in debt up to their eyeballs after producing their first album or film suffer much more.
The rich make a noise about piracy not only because they're losing cash, but because they have the means and muscle to make the noise, hire lawyers etc. Doing that, they also defend the ones on the first steps of the ladder.


What does disturb me a lot is the fact that all the search engines actively support piracy. How is it possible, that you can openly promote companiesa that only sell/share illegal/stolen material?

Kalle Rantaaho

djwayne


oh boo hoo hoo, record excutives aren't making enough money and the public is ripping them off....boo hoo hoo, did you know one of the top record producers David Geffen has a net worth of 5.6 billion dollars.  I'm really sick of these rich record companies belly aching about "lost 'revenues....

In your opinion, what is the maximum income level that justifies defending your property? How poor do you have to be, to be allowed to say: That's my work, you're not allowed to steal it?
?

At the moment a lot of people use a "Robin Hood" romanticising of "steal from the rich and give to the poor"
In article linked in the original post (which it would seem djwayne did not read) there was no big corporation involved, just a guy trying to make a modest living by delivering a good product at a fair price. To me the crux of the matter is people need to be educated that this not a victimless crime as so may seem to think.
 
I know someone who won't pay for software or music. He also very good an not paying his debts too, using the same logic. "they have enough money, they don't need me to pay them back."

It's the fact that music is overpriced to the point the top record execs are worth billions of dollars while the average Joe is scraping up enough money to buy  a desired cd or software program or concert ticket..... I did read the link and feel sorry for the guy but to blame one's lack of success on piracy is lame. But hey if you don't mind giving your hard earned money to filthy rich execs...go for it !! To give you an example of the greed in the music business, concert tickets for Madonna's latest tour were offered for sale at $170 and $350....They'll take your money all day long then cry poor the next day....5.6 billion isn't enough already ?? Oink oink oink !!!Sorry but that's what I think about the music business's current state.
 
You have to ask the question, "Who's robbing who ??"