djwayne


STOP RIGHT THERE !!! I DID NOT SAY "I'LL STEAL IT AND THAT"S OKAY" I DID NOT SAY "I"LL SNEAK INTO THE CONCERT"....

LOL!! 


For crying out loud man get a grip of yourself. Of course he was talking in general = to give an example only.  

Btw I completely agree with what he (Spacey) has said on this thread.  I too HATE conniving selfish gutter trash thieves and when you use excuses such as; billionaire label executives whilst omitting any consideration to; who it hurts the most = the majority of poor battling writers/musicians for which; a lot of them are in debt (owing money), some claim bankruptcy and have lost everything in the process including their car and rental-home. 


Also; your argument about CD's being too expensive; when in fact if you bothered to shop around you'll find millions of CD's selling for less than you claim $12 in fact I've seen CD (Albums) sell for as little as $4 and if your lucky you might even win free T-Shirts and concert tickets (give-a-ways) fact is; I've seen artists give-a-way really nice signature guitar. Awesome generosity from artists whilst they battle on to keep their heads above water... no easy feat... all whilst conniving selfish narrow-minded gutter trash thieves continue to use asinine excuses to justify their criminal activities. 

Of course I too was speaking in general, no intended offense towards you ;) 

djwayne


STOP RIGHT THERE !!! I DID NOT SAY "I'LL STEAL IT AND THAT"S OKAY" I DID NOT SAY "I"LL SNEAK INTO THE CONCERT"....By choosing not to pay for overpriced cd or concert tickets, you're labeling me a thief, which I am not. I am boycotting high prices by not buying them at all, and here ya go start screaming "piracy piracy." LEARN the difference !!!!!!! Same goes with overpriced software, just because I don't buy it doesn't mean I'm pirating it. I bought and use Sonar X2 but I didn't buy or use ProTools 10 because I felt it was overpriced, so does that mean I'm pirating ProTools ?? I don't think so.

You stop right there. You're taking what I said and twisting it. It's all there for you to read again.
 
I asked you perfectly clearly, "what does the cost of items or sevices have to do with stealing?".
 
I asked because, just as I stated, which maybe I should say differently, I do not understand what you are trying to say.
Now you just take a minute and ask yourself, "would spacey be saying that I said something when he is asking what it is
I'm trying to say?"......well?
 
Maybe I'm confused...maybe the topic isn't about piracy (stealing)....maybe it is about money...the cost of CDs and concert tickets.
 
At any rate it's not a problem I can solve and whatever it is you are trying to get across djwayne is something I now feel I'm
better off without and personally I don't like having to ask questions more than once. So I'm done with this.

Good riddance...The bottom line is that the OP's so called victim may have to look at other reasons his software isn't selling...it sucks perhaps ?? there's tons of competition that makes better less costly software..?? Possibly bad marketing ?? No promotion ?? Quite frankly I never heard of it before this thread. So now that I know about it I'm supposed to run out and buy it ?? Not in the cards sorry.

Rain


Kyle Z of Nine Volt Audio shares his thoughts on the subject. 

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=365466&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

If there was one thing I would like to see done, it would be a law passed that commercial Search Engines should not be helping these places ... and they should filter these out intentionally.
 
Unffortunately, the law of piracy, does not go after the "runners" ... that help proliferate this. In most law arguments, when it comes to dope and many other things, the person "helping", even inadvertantly, usually also gets skinned ... but here in the name of making millions and keeping a cash cow alive, is totally legal and no one goes after them.
 
The same thing for spam and many of those services ... if Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and others do this, it should help things along much better ... with one problem ... the whole "piracy" thing is done by Microsoft, Apple, Hewlett Packard, Dell and many others ... and the difference is ... one of those is "legal" and the other "is not" ... and where do you draw the line on irregular and illegal activities? ... you can't ... as long as those folks are not with you all the way!
 
I had a screenplay stolen. I lost the case, because I did not have it protected enough, even though I had a copy of it at the Library of Congress ... I can't film that story! ... but I'll be damned if anyone ever tries in my lifetime or my children's lifetime ... the curse that will befall them ... won't be nice or enjoyable! Let's say that the poem is not as good as Shakespeare's but I have had some folks tell me ... I won't touch it! Go do another cartoon hero, instead!
 
But, I have one secret that those other folks don't ... that screenplay is "me" ... not them, and they will not know why and how to do many parts of it ... and the whole thing will be a mess for them, anyway ... so go ahead ... film it!
 
But stuff like this is sad ... and seeing this, hurts!

A LP used to sell for $10-$12 when I was a teenager. 

I don't buy CD's anymore, I usually prefer buying via iTunes, however when I see the option to buy as a CD, it's usually between $10 and $15. 

But a lot of them are also available for $4 or $5 - something quite unheard of back in my days. 
 
DJWayne - I don't think this has to do w/ software not selling, but w/ people stealing it and redistributing it - because, if you use torrent to download illegal software, you are contributing to the redistribution.

If it sucks, why steal it? That doesn't really hold any water. 

That Russian web site which redistributes my wife's music is a FAN site - which leads me to believe that those folks must be people who actually enjoy the music.

If they thought it sucked, my guess is that they wouldn't have put the site together and go to such lengths to find the music, post photos we didn't even know where out there and hadn't seen in years, translate interviews and have a section dedicated to fan art (there's something a bit odd the first time you see your beloved lady painted as an elf princess by a fan, I have to add. lol)

Yet, they feel they have a right to just grab the music for free. And we're not millionaires, man.    

So, stealing it because it sucks makes no sense. We need to stop trying to find reason. Would you steal a car because it sucks? My bet is you'd buy one you think is good.

This thread is basically a discussion on morality, when that is introduced it's bound to bring out the worst and the best of some of it's posters.

unfortunately past relationships are in peril of being lost because it... kinda like a political thread don't ya think..

If it seems when someone responds to a post it is taken personal attack, check before you blow up and try not to read between those unintended lines.

All others are open season however should be tolerated as you would expect yourself.

there, once again I'm tired of being the grown up, it's your turn now.

You tell me this guy has it hard to the point where your heart stings I maintain you need a sanity check.

 
Jon... your points are valid but I do think that you misunderstood what Marius was trying to say... and maybe he didn't say it well. I know I say a lot of things that are misunderstood myself. That said, I think and am pretty sure actually that Mairus was not referring to the guy in the article with the drum samples when he made the "heart"comment. I am pretty sure he was referring to having his work pirated, early in his carreer, recently really, and for the first time. Even knowing it is going to happen must really hurt when it does, especially to the young artist. I think the story just opened a recent wound in him... and that (his wound from piracy) was what he was referring to). I've done the same thing many times and been misunderstood and probably thought a fool by some. I like both you guys and I think you both have very valid points. He referring to his hurt by seeing his work pirated and you by pointing out that it is to be expected.
 
I have seen the sort of thing that happened on the farm too often but that is how the free market works and sooner or later it will all work itself out in the music/entertainment industry. It will just take time point will hit counterpoint and eventually things will reach some sort of balance where everyone makes money... or it will die... but it wont die because we all know that Rock n Roll can never die... Neil said so.
 
Knowing it will happen wont (I think) diminish the hurt, anger, and even surprise in a younger artist. Give Marius time and he will become as cynical as the rest of us old farts... perhaps even pendantic!
 
Anyway.. a lot of words to say that I think Marius was not referring to the guy with the drum samples at all but rather to his own hurt.
 
I have some (a bunch actually) of loops that are pirated... it always bothered me that they were and I have never used them and I think Iam going to dispose of them. I've never downloaded an illegal copy of a song. I did use Napster when it was going. I used it to see if I liked an artist or a song. If I liked them I would buy their CD... apparrantly I was once again out of step with everyone else... and I know it is nieve but really I have found that it is hard for honest people to realize how many people will steal anything... on the other hand a thief trust no one.. which, in this world, is sadly the best policy.

 
It's quite easy to understand how this subject gets peoples' hackles up.
 
But I think I detect the slightest tinge of hypocrisy here and there.... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that.
 
Anyone who's watched an (illegally?) uploaded music video or TV show on Youtube is no less guilty than someone who's downloaded a cracked version of a computer program or a pirated DVD. It's simply a matter of degree. Or is it?
 
Or am I missing the point completely?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

SteveStrummerUK


 
It's quite easy to understand how this subject gets peoples' hackles up.
 
But I think I detect the slightest tinge of hypocrisy here and there.... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that.
 
Anyone who's watched an (illegally?) uploaded music video or TV show on Youtube is no less guilty than someone who's downloaded a cracked version of a computer program or a pirated DVD. It's simply a matter of degree. Or is it?
 
Or am I missing the point completely?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

You're not.


Obviously, I'm as guilty as the next guy when I watch a video on YouTube or listen to a song on Groooveshark. Though, in all honesty, if the content is available for purchase, that will be my first option in 99% of the cases. 


If the band has a YouTube channel, that will be my preferred option if I want to watch a video. I'll put up w/ the darn publicity.


But I do realize that I'm still stretching the rules to a point which seems acceptable according to MY morality. Just like every one else is.


One other thing I can tell you though is that when people start coming clean, and being a little less careless, it's often a chain reaction.

This all reminds me... One of the dreams I've had the most often since I was a teenagers. I'm in a music store, I see all those records which I really want, all there for the taking. Some people are helping themselves around me - there's no one watching, no salesman. So I hesitatingly start picking up all some records which I really want, and just as I'm about to walk away, I go back and put everything back in its place. 

It's like I didn't have the heart to do it all along, and I feel that even the minute I start picking them up.

Anyone who's watched an (illegally?) uploaded music video or TV show on Youtube is no less guilty than someone who's downloaded a cracked version of a computer program or a pirated DVD. It's simply a matter of degree. Or is it?

 
And that was one of the points in my post ... if the law punished people like YouTube, that are simply trying to get the hits for its money, then, they would likely be quite a bit more careful with stolen materials!
 
Somethings, however, are not "stolen" ... for example, both Bob Dylan and the Grateful Dead never gave a damn about the "bootlegs" and one of the best bootlegs ever, that was almost like hot cakes, happened to be Mr. Bob Dylan's!
 
In the end, if this is a movie studio or a record company ... they deserve to get stolen from ... they have robbed and killed more people, that in the end this is just kharma and dharma having its yen and yang. That simple. Let's not talk about a movie studio that is still robbing the Zappas, if you need an example, and almost EVERY MOVIE that was ever done of concerts, or that featured LIVE MUSIC are NOT getting released and sometimes they are getting buried ... and you can start that with one of the biggest steals of all time ... LET IT BE ... !!!
 
The small time folks I have respect for ... but some of the big ones and the corporate consumerist society, I do not ... because those steal ... BIG.
 
If it helps any better, on a side note, our house in Lisbon is being stolen by the Socialist government ... and any excuse is good enough, except the true one ... they want to collect more tax money year in and out, from a house that was originally bought 60 years ago ... so don't think that consumers are the only evil out there ... again, I think that if Microsoft, Google, Yahoo and all others want to put a handle on these things, they will, won't they? ... but the real issue is that they are a part of that empire ... and they do not want to shake their rump and cause any ripples that will hurt them ...
 
It's all a part of one of the most vicious movies that I disliked ... greed is good ... greed is great ... and our society loves it, and wants more of it! ... that means ... you are gonna get ripped off!