Damn it Mike! You beat me to it!

I was just looking for a link to that.

;-)

Man, don't get me started. ;)

I was working on a cover of an old 70s song for my wife last night and proceeded to load the original in my DAW as a reference, to figure out tempo changes and all that stuff. But the only version I had access to was a recent remaster. It's quite amazing how modern day mastering can have you gnashing teeth in less than a minute and totally ruin a song that you used to enjoy. I can't listen to that - literally, it makes me physically uncomfortable.

"clipping behaviour" = FAIL.

TO BE FAIR...
sonnox makes kick-@ss stuff.

but, clipping..... c'mon!

mike_mccue

drewfx1


There are actually quite a number of "big name" mastering engineers who are completely and utterly clueless how lossy compression works.

Of course they think they know everything. And it would never occur to them to have a discussion with a lossy compression developer or a psychoacoustics expert to see how they might get the best possible results.

So instead they remaster and try to "correct" for things that don't actually happen. But hey, who knows, perhaps they'll get lucky in the process!

I'm not arguing... but this can help:


http://www.sonnoxplugins....products/pro-codec.htmhttp://www.sonnoxplugins....products/pro-codec.htm

You must mean it can help MAKE THINGS WORSE.

Listening to a DIFF signal with a psychoacoustic codec is the single most idiotic thing you can possibly do - because the DIFF signal takes all the psychoacoustic stuff out of the, you know, psychoacoustic codec. So you hear all the missing stuff soloed that you won't ever hear in context, and then try to put it back in at the expense of stuff you will hear. You end up fighting the codec.

IOW, this thing is designed by the clueless for the clueless.

I bet they sell lots of them.

drewfx1

mike_mccue

drewfx1


There are actually quite a number of "big name" mastering engineers who are completely and utterly clueless how lossy compression works.

Of course they think they know everything. And it would never occur to them to have a discussion with a lossy compression developer or a psychoacoustics expert to see how they might get the best possible results.

So instead they remaster and try to "correct" for things that don't actually happen. But hey, who knows, perhaps they'll get lucky in the process!

I'm not arguing... but this can help:


http://www.sonnoxplugins....products/pro-codec.htmhttp://www.sonnoxplugins....products/pro-codec.htm

You must mean it can help MAKE THINGS WORSE.

Listening to a DIFF signal with a psychoacoustic codec is the single most idiotic thing you can possibly do - because the DIFF signal takes all the psychoacoustic stuff out of the, you know, psychoacoustic codec. So you hear all the missing stuff soloed that you won't ever hear in context, and then try to put it back in at the expense of stuff you will hear. You end up fighting the codec.

IOW, this thing is designed by the clueless for the clueless.

I bet they sell lots of them.

It's just a plug-in dude. Sheesh.

I'm surprised at your summary.

I think of this as something you can clamp on the master outs and actually hear the results of the mp3 compression as you mix.


I hadn't considered all the other aspects of it.

It seems to me that the idea of mixing through a mp3 state can seem sensible for some.

I've been thinking I'd like to try.



best regards,
mike 

I would think you'd use it as a tool to make better mp3's, not to listen to what you're missing.  That's like only listening to the parts of the raw tracks that you've eq'ed away or something.  Why do it at all?

So now we're arguing about A / B listening?

LOL!

Here's a thought ... maybe you can hit the DIFF button, then load up the Noise Removal plugin in Sound Forge, capture the difference, and remove it? I dunno.

I can think of a few dozen reasons why I'd want to hear the difference ...

More options are better?

Remove it and 90% of the other options and call it a Pro Channel Module and sell it exclusively through Roland?

Ey yi yi.

Hehe!

:-)