That's relevant point Kalle. A lot of people come here expecting a team of engineers who will provide every solution asked for. As well as train the poster in what to do. Reading the F-ing Manual isn't fun, they're trying to make music and money and want answers now. It can get a bit annoying. This is a big program we use, it has a lot of variables, as does music, as does the individual experience of using it at a multitude of locations, all unkown to the forum posters.
Trying to clear something up with someone can cause enough stress to ignite "the war".
Yuh.

I'm sorry, but who decides what level of proficiency a poster needs to have attained before he can ask a question?

Or what make's a certain question 'valid' or not?

Just help who you want to help, in whatever way you want to help them. Or not, for that matter.

If you think someone doesn't 'deserve' a helpful reply because they haven't put in the groundwork just move on and leave it unanswered.

I'll carry on helping whoever I can, whenever I want, whatever their level. Unless they're rude. That's my only proviso.

SteveStrummerUK


I'm sorry, but who decides what level of proficiency a poster needs to have attained before he can ask a question?

Or what make's a certain question 'valid' or not?

Just help who you want to help, in whatever way you want to help them. Or not, for that matter.

If you think someone doesn't 'deserve' a helpful reply because they haven't put in the groundwork just move on and leave it unanswered.

I'll carry on helping whoever I can, whenever I want, whatever their level. Unless they're rude. That's my only proviso.

Nobody decides that. Some people are going to go off on it. No reaction is the best reaction. RTFM comes next. Some people are going to go off.

I think that RTFM translates in 'I can't be bothered to give you an answer' but I'm gonna get your hopes up by replying anyway. 
May be something like its on page 234 with good luck would be better.

As mentioned not everyone can actually read and some people get into playing music because they see it as a way of channeling negative energy picked up from have things such as learning difficulties.


Plus not everyone is a read the manual type of learner. Musicians are usually auditory learners which explains a lot. 

A forum where we could upload auditory responses would be good : )

The thing about RingTFM... Unless you ARE able to absorb the information cover to cover* and suddenly become a genius, it is sometimes extremely difficult to know what something is CALLED to even FIND IT in the manual.

Suppose you come to DAW A from DAW B.  What is the likelihood that something you knew as a Fuzzle in A will be called such and act in the same way in B?  In my experience, the chances are slim. Sure, there are universal recording techniques and naming conventions, but if you don't know DAW, you don't know DAW.

Help or don't help. Your choice.  Don't be a jerk.


*room full of men, and we are talking about reading manuals. Pardon me while I giggle quietly in the corner and ask a stranger for driving directions.... 

Rodar6


I think that RTFM translates in 'I can't be bothered to give you an answer' but I'm gonna get your hopes up by replying anyway. 
May be something like its on page 234 with good luck would be better.

As mentioned not everyone can actually read and some people get into playing music because they see it as a way of channeling negative energy picked up from have things such as learning difficulties.


Plus not everyone is a read the manual type of learner. Musicians are usually auditory learners which explains a lot. 

A forum where we could upload auditory responses would be good : )

 
Even better, a picture paints a thousand words Rod.
 
Not to blow my own trumpet, but it took me nigh on two hours to put THIS reply together.
 
But the guy's one line thank you was worth every minute of that!
 
 

That was a SUPERB reply you gave to that guy stevestrummer.

Another excellent avenue for new learners are the cakewalk tv cakewalk university videos. I agree that some people learn more easily visually or aurally.

But I don't think we say that anyone who posts on this forum cannot read-  it hink that would be unprecedented.

julibee
 

Help or don't help. Your choice.  Don't be a jerk. 

I couldn't agree more Jules.
 

julibee
 

*room full of men, and we are talking about reading manuals. Pardon me while I giggle quietly in the corner and ask a stranger for driving directions.... 

 
 

Well, I think we've made some discoveries as to how "touchy" the subject matter is, haven't we? Well isn't that special?

SteveStrummerUK

Rodar6


I think that RTFM translates in 'I can't be bothered to give you an answer' but I'm gonna get your hopes up by replying anyway. 
May be something like its on page 234 with good luck would be better.

As mentioned not everyone can actually read and some people get into playing music because they see it as a way of channeling negative energy picked up from have things such as learning difficulties.


Plus not everyone is a read the manual type of learner. Musicians are usually auditory learners which explains a lot. 

A forum where we could upload auditory responses would be good : )

 
Even better, a picture paints a thousand words Rod.
 
Not to blow my own trumpet, but it took me nigh on two hours to put THIS reply together.
 
But the guy's one line thank you was worth every minute of that!
 
 

Steve, that was excellent mate - I didn't see it first time around - I can see why it took so long to put together.