Hey tom1...respect to you. Ha...especially for having to hump our beloved 7.62 M60. Well...I hate war too and IMO there are no winners...we all lose. As you'll see I was in 107mm mortars and did all my Ops with the 5th MarDiv so I logged some adequate chopper miles. I kept my trusty 11# M14 and didn't have to deal with the M16 issues. I test fired that POS from the fantail of the USS Princeton in March '66 and it felt like a Mattel toy. I really feel for those that had to use the 1st release of the 'toy'. Thanks for all the input gents...carry on.