craigb


I use Notepad for notation.

Funnily enough when I am writing lessons I use notepad. I have a bunch of templates for tab and fretboard diagrams and have a plan to create rudimentary notation to show scales and chords on the staff. The only real limitation is dealing with the various note lengths but that can easily be solved by using numbers instead of traditional notation characters. I'm also assuming that if I dug into my character maps I could find the symbols I need or suitable replacements.

/dork

craigb

I use Notepad for notation.
　
　
did anyone mention it's FREE at Finale.Com
a nice introduction into notation/theory

lol... I didn't realize there was a notation software called NotePad. I meant MS Notepad. ;-p

Jim it is really very simple to me.

If they are going to include a function then it should work. The better it works the better
off everybody is.
The performance level of all functions reflects only on them....including third party inclusions or "gifts.

What a user can do with what they offer reflects on the user....I don't complain much about X2 :)

Beepster


lol... I didn't realize there was a notation software called NotePad. I meant MS Notepad. ;-p

Me too.
 
BTW - 86% of all statistics are worthless.  Including this one.

Actually, this was a lost opportunity for Cakewalk:

http://www.trademarkia.com/overture-74391204.html


Are you suggesting that a company that sold an unprofitable dedicated notation software program, should have bought an unprofitable notation software enterprise. Or did you mean that they should have hired the staff of a failed notation software enterprise to try to create a first class notation feature in a product they have had some success with.


I have always wondered if the poor notation features in Cakewalk's products was the result of a non-compete clause that might have been signed when they sold Overture. It seems more likely that they just have no interest in competing, which given the demise of one of the powerhouse notation products may have been a wise idea. Most people here probably do not even remember that Cakewalk was a pioneer in notation software.

Well, the overall sense was that Sibelius was one of the few bright spots for Avid... but of course Avid has been bleeding red ink for a very long time...

Off the top of my head I forget the exact programs, but IIRC they paid roughly $50 million for was it Pinacle?, and sold it to Corel for $3 million at the same time they "downsized" the Sibelius staff and "offshored" the coding to Eastern Europe.  So, as far as the program itself goes, Avid kept Sibelius. 

Simply stated, Steinberg hired the brains behind Sibelius.

Spacey, I agree with you.

Overall, there are good long-term (but who thinks that way any more?) reasons to sometimes offer features that offer less overall profit, but keep the overall program full-featured and with a higher prestige factor.

I think that is one way Steinberg could benefit long-term.  Since the former Sibelius program designers will be, in essence, starting over, it will likely be awhile before anything new or significant reaches the market.

The concern then is strategic.  IMO Steinberg is seeking to think strategically, for the long-term.  I see Cakewalk operating more along the lines of business as usual.  Given that sequencer programs have reached maturity, as have notation programs, if - and it is a big if at this point - Steinberg can figure out how to really integrate top flight notation into a mature sequencer, that would be a major advancement in terms of offering a complete product.

As I mentioned in my original post, I have become quite content with my Finale > Sonar composition workflow, and can live with the limitations of my current setup.  But, from a Sonar perspective, there are signs of some serious clouds just over the horizon.

I don't know Jim....it's a tough call really. It's like, if say Sonar has a user base of 800,000 users. If 200 of them make a mention on the forum (which I don't even know if it's that high) do you go through the pains to improve it? Depends on who's driving the bus I suppose.

For me personally, I read music and have no problems doing what I need to do in Sonar using it's staff view. What I write is what I get. What I print is what I read. Maybe there are other companies that have an easier way to do thing or whatever. I can't say as I've never used anything in that regard other than Sonar for that to compare.

Let's look at something else. Video editing. It's probably next in line to notation as the video part of Sonar is nearly useless for me. However, if we revert back to my first sentence....there's probably 100 people that wish for better video editing capabilities in Sonar...so it's even less of a chance for something to be done. If Sonar isn't made to be a notation editor or a more powerful video editor, I guess we just have to chalk it up that the company is not interested in providing that functionality or the majority of it's user base or business model doesn't see a need.

I'm really not upset by any of it to be honest. I just use another program. Look at mastering. I can master in Sonar, but I can't set up an album in Sonar like I can Wave Lab or Studio One. As powerful as Sonar is, I also can't edit in it like I can Adobe Audition...which to me is STILL one of the most under-rated programs for editing of all time. I would think those two things are pretty important in Sonar yet I'd have an easier time getting pregnant than hoping they would appear in the program someday.

I'm happy with it having a little of everything with it's shining elements being mixing and some pretty powerful, stock plugins. The other stuff...I just use the programs I need to get the job done. Studio One 2 has some really great all in one functions. But even there, some of the formats are a bit weird so though it has loads of power, I still change to other programs that are easier and faster for me to use. It all depends what your needs are I guess. :)

-Danny

Another case of my ignorance being bliss.
I can barely write music notation, slowly, painfully, so it's always worked fine for me.
But I can understand why someone would want something that works the way they want it to, and work seamlessly with their music recording program.
I'm afraid to ask what's wrong with it or what it may be lacking, because then I'd want it, too.

Beepster

craigb


I use Notepad for notation.

Funnily enough when I am writing lessons I use notepad. I have a bunch of templates for tab and fretboard diagrams and have a plan to create rudimentary notation to show scales and chords on the staff. The only real limitation is dealing with the various note lengths but that can easily be solved by using numbers instead of traditional notation characters. I'm also assuming that if I dug into my character maps I could find the symbols I need or suitable replacements.

/dork

About 10 years ago I was doing a lot of guitar transcribing for internet tab sites and I used a freeware program to enter the tab and export to ascii in the standard ascii tab format that you see online. I think it was Power Tab or something like that.