bitflipper
I think I'll have a Milk of Magnesia cocktail now.

With becan?


MMMMmmmmmmm.........

I've said it before here (I believe), without my hearing aids I have a violent loss above 6K in my left ear and a significant loss above 7K in my right.

Ear buds help compensate for that so they are a typical part of my "checking a mix". I do not (generally) use ear buds for listening to much music.

My situation was mostly medical. I've had three operations on my right ear and five on my left as a result of severe infections destroying/damaging the major components of hearing function. As the ENT Dr. told me; "it's just your physiology, nothing could really have caused or prevented it".

sharke

57Gregy


Fifteen K?! Amateur.
I can't hear anything above about 8 K.
Unless it's real loud.
And there are no other noises happening.

But I'm going to look into this. If there's something to it and it may prevent more hearing loss, I'm all for it.
Thanks!
Any links?

I would just Google "magnesium hearing" and sift through what comes up. You could also try "magnesium noise damage" if you want to look into that aspect of it. I think zinc is also something which is important for hearing, and something which most of us are deficient in (especially if you work out and/or sweat a lot). 

I did that. There were a lot of links. I'll delve into it further on my days off.

bitflipper


Turns out that age-related hearing loss may be a myth. What it is in reality is the effect of long-term abuse of the ears. Studies of people living in remote places such as the Amazon and Borneo found people in their 80's with no hearing loss at all. 

Audiologists say that a great many teenagers today have the hearing acuity of a 50-year-old, and that when that generation does reach their 50's functional deafness will have become a worldwide epidemic. They blame both environmental noise and tinny earbuds for the recent rise in hearing impairment.

Here's another bit of depressing news: hearing loss among audio professionals is more rapid than in the general population. In a survey of audio engineers, they were on average 10 years ahead of the curve. And that doesn't even address hearing loss among stage musicians. There's a reason Pete Townshend writes books nowadays instead of making records.

I think I'll have a Milk of Magnesia cocktail now.

Years ago on British TV there was a documentary which exposed the dangerous levels of noise in most nightclubs and rave events. I remember they sent a noise guy into a few venues with his measuring equipment. In every case he came out angry, saying that just 5 minutes in there will permanently damage your hearing. 


I remember going to see Ronnie James Dio when I was 14, I was stood 3 rows from the front toward the side where the speakers were. I had severe ringing in my ears and partial deafness for 2 days. When you're that young you treat it like a joke and go "YEAH!" - I bet that one gig damaged my ears permanently. Over the next decade and a half, coming home from a night out with ringing ears was just accepted. It's nuts. Of course you never care until it's too late. Having said that, I've read the odd titbit about potential cures for tinnitus and deafness over the last couple of years - maybe a breakthrough is in sight. Knowing me though, if they turned that ringing off like a switch I would freak out and ask for it back 

bitflipper


 the Amazon and Borneo found people in their 80's with no hearing loss at all.   

 

We think about these people living, "really difficult lives, with no modern day possessions."   But they spend their entire lives in paradise, with few, "if any," modern day problems...  


We have, "all this modern technology, and huge expensive health care system"  by the time we are 80, we are deaf, with cancer, and renal disease.. we would have been dead by 70, but scored an extra ten years out of the, "best medical care."  lol..  but in Borneo, you kinda reach 97, and don't wake up for rain forest coffee one morning...  this after a whole life of being thin, defined and strong, and smoking whatever flowers seem to grow around you..


Edit = "oh, and in Borneo, when you are 80..  You actually look about 50 here in some parts of, "the modern world."  and that's assuming the 50 yr old you are being compared too is in, "great shape."

Edit = There are surfing communities in Nicaragua..  I saw em on the HGTV channel..  wow, I'd love to find a way to get to a surfing community down there...  you need like, "an income that is not tied to America," but for $250,000 you get an amazing ocean house.. ( townhouse maybe,) in a safe and guarded community..  its like, "$100," a month upkeep fee, and $2500 a month, you live a great lifestyle down there...

Another long time Tinnitus sufferer here.

It's more or less permanent in my left ear now, and seemed to be caused initially by a series of ear infections which went left - right - left over a period of months.

Though on saying that, I  really punished my ears when I was younger, went to all the loud gigs, played in a metal band.

It was fun at the time................

sharke

spacey

I screwed with my ears in my late teens and early 20's

sharke

You think the '90s were fun...to bad you missed the '70's

I will take your hippie rock festival and raise you a 24 hour woodland rave with kidney-dissolving levels of sub-bass. 

Hours? LOL....I'll see you and raise something you obviously missed ...one Acoustic People Killer
and it didn't take a minute.

sharke

Bub

I did some tests a while back to see if I could here any differences between different sample rates. I discovered during that testing process that my hearing ranges from 35hz to 16.5kHz.

I've always had trouble with my ears retaining fluid. A few years back I had tubes put in and oh my God. I drove straight home and got out my Beatles albums. It was amazing. I have to go back and get the one removed because it shifted, and get one put in my left ear and I don't want to do it. Last time I had this done they said they can't do it in the doctors office anymore so I had to have out patient surgery and I stopped breathing on the operating table. What was supposed to be a 20 minute procedure ended up taking 3 hours after they got me breathing again and stabilized.

I think I'll try the Magnesium first. LOL!

I wonder if I have something like that too. My left ear sometimes feels like it's blocked, especially so when I've been exercising. 

I had a plug of ear wax fall out on me in the pool years ago, that was a hoot. I felt something on my ear and took it off with my hand...it was a largeish brown lump which to be honest looked like poop. I then proceeded to wade past everyone in the shallow end, looking intently at this piece of poop in my hand. Can't have looked good 

My doctor uses this ...



... it's frightening as hell and makes a God awful noise. It's attached to a suction machine and they suck the wax out of your ear canal. It's really the only way to get a thorough cleaning. They can't get close enough to your ear drum with the scraping tool that a general doctor will use, you have to go to a real Otolaryngologist.

I have to go every couple of months because my ears clog up so bad. Don't know why but the excessive wax thing just started happening a couple of years ago. Never had a problem before in my life.

My doctor told me I saved my hearing from being in the band so many years because I had fluid in both my ears and it acted like built in ear plugs. I never knew how bad my hearing was until I got tubes put it in. Oh my God, it was like someone turned the volume up to 11. And the first time I had it done was in the doctors office before they changed the rules and made you go in to the hospital. He numbed my ear drum with some goop stuff, took a tiny knife and jabbed a hole in it and poof, immediately I could hear like I never did before. Popped the tube in, and he was done in less than 3 minutes. It was amazing.

As for Mike's link about Magnesium Sulfate, it's actually bad for you in large quantities and long term use. I have Eczema really bad on my legs and the only thing that would help was soaking in Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulfate). I told my doctor one time about this miracle remedy I found and how nothing else helped and he told me to stop it immediately. Regular use of Epsom Salt causes kidney failure and dehydrates you, which is funny that they put it in bottled water. You can also use it as a laxative, just mix up a glass and drink it down. Says so right on the box ...

I think, don't hold me to this, that the Magnesium you take in pill form is slightly different and may not be as bad ... but I'd definitely check with a doctor before taking the stuff long term. Preferably one with a real Indian (Not American Indian) accent. They know all about that kind of thing more than American doctors. If you can find a pharmacist that is a real Indian (Shouldn't be too hard to come by in NYC, there were 4 of them in Iowa LOL!), they'll give you all the free advice you could ever want.

Bub

As for Mike's link about Magnesium Sulfate, it's actually bad for you in large quantities and long term use. I have Eczema really bad on my legs and the only thing that would help was soaking in Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulfate). I told my doctor one time about this miracle remedy I found and how nothing else helped and he told me to stop it immediately. Regular use of Epsom Salt causes kidney failure and dehydrates you, which is funny that they put it in bottled water. You can also use it as a laxative, just mix up a glass and drink it down. Says so right on the box ...

I think, don't hold me to this, that the Magnesium you take in pill form is slightly different and may not be as bad ... but I'd definitely check with a doctor before taking the stuff long term. Preferably one with a real Indian (Not American Indian) accent. They know all about that kind of thing more than American doctors. If you can find a pharmacist that is a real Indian (Shouldn't be too hard to come by in NYC, there were 4 of them in Iowa LOL!), they'll give you all the free advice you could ever want.

I actually suggested magnesium citrate, not sulfate. It is perfectly safe to use as long as you take sensible doses. You can't overdose on magnesium, the excess is just flushed out in urine and feces. It will give you diarrhea if you take too much, however. In that sense, it could cause dehydration via the diarrhea. 


However, like anything else, it's probably not a good idea to take excessive amounts if you have a pre-existing kidney condition. Really though, the amount that you would take in a magnesium citrate drink like Natural Calm is not nearly enough to be toxic, and it doesn't "build up" in your body over time. As far as I know, the bones store magnesium, and once you have replenished that store, your body will just expel any excess. Two teaspoons of Natural Calm is 87% of the RDA of magnesium. I make two of these drinks per day, so I'm getting 174%. Nowhere near the level at which you'd be justified in worrying about it. 

so, most of us (at some point) will have some hearing loss; maybe even tinnitus or other hearing abnormality.
So it's very possible we each hear music differently and in some cases maybe drastically different.
 
and even when people have perfect hearing some will surely have a stronger or lesser bass/midrange/treble preference.

So, when mixing , how do you compensate for this?

'using your ears' , at least in my case, may not be the best option.