cclarry

I'm sure Rain will be horrified where Logic fell in the poll....

Actually, I don't give a fudge. ;) 


No matter where those polls put it, it's still the best solution for me. As well as for 90% of the people in my line of business. 

What bugs me is people making empty statements. These I sometimes (okay, quite often) feel a need to address. Especially coming from people who go out of their way to show you that if you say a bad thing about Studio One, it's only because you haven't used it for long enough. 


I must say - the last time I had a chat w/ a studio owner, we didn't talk much about Logic - but actually, I told him about Studio One and the merits of Sonar. 

Jeff Evans


Hi Rain. I used Logic for 15 years producing millions of hours of soundtracks etc so I do know it is a very capable program. FYI I teach sound engineering and there we teach Pro Tools and Logic a lot so I am very familiar with Logic. I also use Studio One at home in my studio so I am someone who has got a handle on all three actually.

Logic is just plain boring now and I am finding more and more students will say can you do this and that and I have to keep saying no, but then I think hang on you can do that in Studio One though. That is happening more and more now.

Apple are not developing Logic and probably won't. Apple seem more interested in consumer things that are making them money than ultra professional software and hardware.

The synths in Logic also all sound the same except for the ESX24. They all have a thinner cold digital sound to them. Not so in other DAW's. 

Granted the scoring stuff is reasonable in Logic and Studio One have decided not to put it in at all which I think is a great decision.

You can download the whole of Logic now for $200 so that might give you some idea of what it is really worth. They will more than likely discontinue it all together and rumour has it they will put a version of it inside Garage band and make it free on all Apple Macs. I am even a bit worried about what Avid may or may not be doing as well as they could put a hold on Pro Tools for a while too. Who Knows.

Well, w/ all due respect for your academic endeavor and your personal preferences, the fact that you find it "boring" doesn't really change a thing. My own experience in real world studios (I'm not talking about bedroom studios here) tells me that, to this day, major composers, songwriters and studio owners still use Logic day in day out.  Anyway, boring isn't really an objective term, anyway, is it? I find it efficient. 

Actually, as someone who can't stand the color blue, I could make a statement that Studio One is the most boring piece of software on earth. 

Again regarding Apple not developing Logic - ask even the people who've been writing certification books for Apple software and they'll tell you - those who know don't tell and those who tell don't know. So it's all rumors . Until Apple confirms it. Which they haven't done. 

As far as what we actually "know" (not what we think) - Apple still uses Garage Band as an entry level application, so that people who want the rest of the features will upgrade to Logic. The fact that they sell it for a mere $200 still isn't an indication that they're giving up on it. Remember that to run Logic, you have to buy Apple hardware - a Mac. I see it as aggressive marketing - same thing they've been doing w/ the rest of the software. Mountain Lion is only $20 - I don't think that this means that Apple is discontinuing their OS.

Notepad wasn't #1?   Wow...

Jeff Evans




The synths in Logic also all sound the same except for the ESX24. They all have a thinner cold digital sound to them. Not so in other DAW's. 

That's one I failed to address, because, coming from someone who's a big fan of Studio One, it's probably the most unbelievable complaint. 


W/ the exception of Presence, synths aren't one of the selling point in S1. Below average for most as far as I'm concerned. Though the guitar player that I am digs Presence a lot because, well, it's not your typical synth.

But in Logic? Agreed, you have a few cut down versions of the bigger synths like ES-Poly and ES-Mono, EFM-1... and they sound somewhat like their big brothers. But that's the point. I only find this useful. If I want a simple FM-type of bass line, I can easily get it w/o having to load the full synths (ES-1 and 2). I call this optimization.

As for the rest - a very good B3/organ emulation, a pretty awesome clavinet, an electric piano that's still one of the best out there imho, a drum machine/sampler with an integrated step sequencer + advanced synthesis and fx, Sculpture for physical modeling, ES-1 and ES-2 for good old analogue synthesis, a Vocoder synth, etc...

Yes, a lot of them sound "clean" - but it's rather easy to add some dirt - and I'd rather have to do that than the opposite. An old trick - just add Logic's delay and bypass the delay, and enable tape distortion... Add a bit of compression, using the bundled compressor, which is still, by far, the best/most versatile compressor I own. ;) Voilà.

What we need here is Mr Reaper and Mr reason and this will be a cluster****

I makes my beatz wiv FL - it's the shizzle
wurd

Hi Rain. I must say though that Logic has been around for a long time and as a result it is very stable and reliable especially in a teaching situation where the software gets treated very badly and I must say Logic just keeps on going and rarely falls over which is great. One school I was teaching at for a while had Sonar Home Studio and it was a disaster.

Regarding synths I agree Studio One is not overly great with them but that is what is good about it. I have 40 or 50 amazing virtual synths in there now so I rarely use the bundled instruments. They don't waste time trying to impress you with instruments. They give you a few and let you put the ones in you want to work with. Presence is pretty good though. Their drum machine actually works better than Beatscape. There is a fair bit of content too for Studio One about 20 Gig I think. Have you got all that too Rain? And the third party VST's all work without a hitch as well.

I do like the ESX24, I think it has a great sound. And I was lucky enough to get that and the Electric piano, oragn etc when they were available as separate VST's and I have all those as well. I have just found a lot of the other instruments in Logic I don't use that much because they are a little similar sounding to me.

I have still got a Sonar 8.5 install on my system and just love Dimension Pro, Rapture and Z3ta+ and they all work and sound great in Studio One too. I am not that impressed with the Logic reverb either, I feel there are many nicer sounding convolution reverbs around now which go much further and sound much better. But that is due mainly to the fact that no one is really developing Logic, they are just in this mode of staying with what they have got. 

The one thing that all the programs that have been mentioned here (and Sonar of course!) have in common is that they are developing and moving forward. Logic is the only one that is basically remaining still.

I think it depends on which part of the world you live in too as to what software is being used in very professional studios. I have been into many here in Australia and never seen Logic once. But as you and people like Freddie have pointed out that is not the case in Europe perhaps and other parts of the world.

backwoods


What we need here is Mr Reaper and Mr reason and this will be a cluster****

(It's actually MS Reason.) 

Ah, the voice of Reason!

LOL!

(I could not resist....)