mike_mccue

bapu

mike_mccue



"If I want to read and get an informed opinion about Windows 8, it probably wouldn't be on this forum."


That statement exemplifies the self perpetuating trend in this forum.

Just a thought Mike.


Your opening reply feels pretty condescending to the entire "active" membership here.

But I can see where that is your opinion and of course you are entitled to it.

 
Hi bapu,
Thank you for offering a straight forward and honest opinion.
I considered that before I shared my opinion. I get your point and appreciate the forth rightness with which it was delivered.
 
But I will regardless carry on in my perpetual arrogant way and not take a blind bit of notice whose nose I bend out of joint, and I retain the right to act all hurt and righteous should anyone address me in the similar manner.
 
best regards, whilst still looking down my nose at the plebs. 
 
mike

Subtexted.

Jonbouy

You mentioned all that, but you omitted the fact that he may have an axe to grind being one of the disgruntled that abandoned ship during the X1 kerfuffle.

IIRC, things got pretty heated there for a while during the last days that Jose was coming here regularly, and that was before X1 IIRC. It felt like the forum was bubbling to a head and a change of guard was coming. At least that's how I remember it. I was going through some heavy duty stuff personally and it may just have been me projecting my feelings in to it subconsciously. That kind of thing happens without you knowing sometimes. But it seemed pretty crappy around here just before X1's release so I stopped coming here for a while.

When I say 'here', I mean upstairs, not the CH.

Bub

Jonbouy

You mentioned all that, but you omitted the fact that he may have an axe to grind being one of the disgruntled that abandoned ship during the X1 kerfuffle.

IIRC, things got pretty heated there for a while during the last days that Jose was coming here regularly, and that was before X1 IIRC. It felt like the forum was bubbling to a head and a change of guard was coming. At least that's how I remember it. I was going through some heavy duty stuff personally and it may just have been me projecting my feelings in to it subconsciously. That kind of thing happens without you knowing sometimes. But it seemed pretty crappy around here just before X1's release so I stopped coming here for a while.

When I say 'here', I mean upstairs, not the CH.

Yes, I seem to remember that a whole rake of suggested improvements were put forward by a number of members which were largely disregarded IIRC, there was a fair bit of ill-feeling surrounding that.
 
That's why I mentioned there may be a little axe-grinding involved perhaps which would likely skew any findings from a purely 'engineering' perspective.
 
The motives of the OP are often transparent which again negates much of anything useful that was likely to arise from a discourse on the subject, other than to say there's not much standing out in the way of a recommendation for migrating to Windows 8 just now.

I'm holding out for windows 10 myself....

Gearslutz = all the ones who've been thrown off kvr + all the other ones.

Bub

Jonbouy

You mentioned all that, but you omitted the fact that he may have an axe to grind being one of the disgruntled that abandoned ship during the X1 kerfuffle.

IIRC, things got pretty heated there for a while during the last days that Jose was coming here regularly, and that was before X1 IIRC. It felt like the forum was bubbling to a head and a change of guard was coming. At least that's how I remember it. I was going through some heavy duty stuff personally and it may just have been me projecting my feelings in to it subconsciously. That kind of thing happens without you knowing sometimes. But it seemed pretty crappy around here just before X1's release so I stopped coming here for a while.

When I say 'here', I mean upstairs, not the CH.

Hi Bub,
 I'm guessing your recollection is about Jose Cabrera... who was a very informed and passionate composer.

 The Jose I am referring to is another guy. Years ago he wrote a program called Dskbench and use to offer Cakewalk help and advice that it acknowledged had high value for performance gains.

Then when he began pointing out that the sky was "blue" he was slowly inspired to go elsewhere so that he could correspond with people who were willing to consider facts, and scientific, replicable, testing methods, rather than rely on marketing statements.

 all the best,
mike

 

wasn't it vin curigliano (TAFKAT) and DAWBench that really opened that can of worms between what the Bakers claim Sonar can do and what people found in the real world? when that blew up a lot of people upped and left. Then X1 marked a new point at which people upped sticks.

Then when he began pointing out that the sky was "blue" he was slowly inspired to go elsewhere so that he could correspond with people who were willing to consider facts, and scientific, replicable, testing methods, rather than rely on marketing statements.

 
Which of course implies again that you consider very few here are capable of doing such a thing without your guidance.
 
Another thing that you've overlooked here is that Sonar consistently performs well in benchmark tests, it has done for a long time and continues to do so.
 
It particularly scales well under heavy loads and is very CPU efficient compared with many applications.  Fortunately it has an actual digital audio engineer that is very accomplished as it's CTO.
 
There are many criticism that are valid when it comes to Sonar but on this particular aspect the sky is indeed still blue.

playing devil's advocate here, Jon, but i thought the DAWbench stuff consistently showed SOnar to be one of the weakest in this test, mainly due to its loading onto one core? of course, these aren't real-world tests, but they are interesting, especially showing how much better Win 7 is than OSX for audio. As a Sonar user I am quite happy with how it works for me though, just as I am with my Echo Audiofire despite the same testing proving it is apparently rubbish for low-latency work! lies, damned lies and statistics!

mgh


playing devil's advocate here, Jon, but i thought the DAWbench stuff consistently showed SOnar to be one of the weakest in this test, mainly due to its loading onto one core? of course, these aren't real-world tests, but they are interesting, especially showing how much better Win 7 is than OSX for audio. As a Sonar user I am quite happy with how it works for me though, just as I am with my Echo Audiofire despite the same testing proving it is apparently rubbish for low-latency work! lies, damned lies and statistics!

Exactly, aside from the fact that any independent benchmark figures I've seen Sonar comes out pretty well.
 
It works well for me particularly when I have a project loaded to the gunwhales ready for mixing.  It clearly outperforms the other leading DAW I use in that particular role.
 
Any gripes I have with Sonar are not to do with it's capability of processing digital audio. 
The idea of 'an actual digital audio engineer' contributing anything worthwhile when they are not the actual digital audio engineers responsible for the code we end up using are limited if not completely moot.
 
I'd rather hear of the concerns of those trying to use Sonar for its intended purpose in their productions rather than the geekdom that surrounds this kind of thing anyway.  I don't buy a car on the strength that I can pass the time of day with the mechanics discussing the merits of using a particular fuel injection system.  I wanna drive the darned thing.