jbow


I read it all. It was good. However, after reading the thread, I feel like I should be finding something to argue about... perhaps I am insufficiently inadequate.

J

Just have Mike deride your input, that is usually enough to get most folks going.
 
He'll often oblige, in fact he must enjoy it as he seems rarely to be able to miss an opportunity.

Steve I don't have a lot of concern about the current state of the music industry
and certainly not concerned with what others may think of it because they haven't
lived in my world nor I in theirs.

That sounds like a bad attitude but let me explain my view.

I'm an old guy that was born about the same time that electric guitars where.
So after enough years for me to start learning there was a brand new world of
music due simply because of electric guitars and bass.

Those instruments were the seeds planted for innovators. One must realize that the
music world was completely different before electric instruments.
With their creation became an oppertunity for a brand new music world.

What a time to live through. Not only was there a whole new world for music it was
being supported by the masses. It was fueled by people not only enjoying the "new"
sounds and beats but partying their ass off too.

We rode that trail until it was full grown and starting to die due to many reasons.
"Life" , technological changes, time...

Now that I'm 57 and lived through and played through it's birth and some of it's dying
years- I don't have a problem with the current state of music.
Things change and most everything that I enjoyed about music changed. It's a whole
new game and I'm very content to sit in the stands watching it do so and even enjoying
a little bit of it on my PC.

I can easily imagine that in the near future there will be kids looking back and probably
have a great time seeing how it all went done and maybe even want to try and recreate it
and wish they could have lived through those years when a four piece band could change the world.

Recordings are history. Look at Bethoven. People are still discovering him. Recordings were meant to be history, more than a saleable copy of a live performance. If 5,000 people hear your recording on the internet they might want to see you live. Today, tomorrow, next year, next decade... and so on. Long after you are dead, copys of your recordings may sell. Just sayin.

Jonbouy

I do not think you ask these questions to foster greater understanding but rather to find a fresh place to wedge your next argument.

For anyone that still doesn't get irony, McQ making the above statement is the best definition evah!
 
<Facepalm>

Although I'd prefer a strong pint with the chap...

mike_mccue


I'd be happy to carry the guy's gear in to a show.


regards,
mike

Is this the same guy that was whining the other week about not getting enough recognition for his PA hauling efforts at a charity gig?
 
Ah yes, I remember now it is.

Myself, I'd pretty much think that no matter the format the music comes in it still will live ever on..regardless of what some may think....if it is in your heart it is there...

he described other musicians derisively as "apprentices" who's music has become popular because the audience that enjoys it has been "battered and brainwashed".

 
Mosh?

I could not give a toss about Simon Cowell, TV talent shows or the mindless repetition of corporate music. You cannot force your idea of art on the mindless masses who watch and listen to this crap. None of them have a gun to their heads - they could all switch off their TV sets and seek out quality stuff. But they don't. So who cares? It's not the responsibility of me, the government, corporations or anyone else to improve the cultural outlook of these people. Once you start getting into that area, it just opens up a whole new can of worms and begs the questions "what is art" and "why is art A of higher intellectual value than art B."

All you can do is your best to influence those around you on a personal level. But there will always be a huge number of people who have absolutely no appreciation for the finer things in life and who will just lap up whatever banal crap that's put in front of them. I learned to stop worrying about such people a long time ago. As for American Idol and all of that ballyhoo, well I don't have a TV and have no intention of getting one and so I'm pretty much blind to it. However I do enjoy watching the bad auditions on YouTube, that's an entertainment in itself. 

sharke


However I do enjoy watching the bad auditions on YouTube, that's an entertainment in itself. 

These modern day 'freak shows' have become an integral part of programmes such as X Factor and Britain's/America's Got Talent - in fact I'd imagine that there are quite a few viewers who only ever tune in to these early stages of a series. But the episodes that feature the auditions are (obviously) deliberately choreographed and generally run to the same format week in week out. We are treated to a succession of absolute 'shockers' interspersed with a few 'will they/won't they' get throughs and the occasional successful candidate (often accompanied by a cringeworthy and schmaltzy back story). The vast majority of auditions that don't fit into either of these extremes of category - i.e. the average/mediocre ones - are not broadcast because they're not good television.
 
But Cowell and his ilk are very clever people, no doubting that. This format has proved successful ratings wise, and they'll continue to milk it for all it's worth until those ratings fall or until advertising revenue shrinks below some pre-determined level.
 
I have absolutely problem with any of this - I can choose to watch or not. But how anyone can seriously put forward the argument that any of this is 'good for music' (or just to ridicule Jet Black's opinions) is quite beyond my comprehension I'm afraid. 
  
I guess the old adage is true, "There are none so blind as those that refuse to see"
 
 
 
 

Great minds must think alike Steve, I've just been catching up on a lot of the Stranglers blog, that very part included.

I'm wondering what Hugh Cornwell has against East Anglia as well. His tours very rarely come anywhere near us here. Perhaps it's the two heads we all have.