I was thinkin' the other day, and it was probably the meds altering that thought pattern ... but ... if there's people out there that can make keygens, and hack the 30 day trial period thingy so it doesn't show up, and there's people out there that can hack the color scheme and toolbar, maybe we could put a pool of money together and pay someone to hack 8.5 and X1 so they work the way they were advertised to? Know what I mean? I'm not saying hack it so it's free for anyone to download and use, but pay someone to make a patch to fix the things that are wrong.

I remember when Ozone 5 came out. I heard about it the next day here on the forums, I did a search, and the first thing that came up was a crack for it from Oxygen. If they can do that in less than 24 hours, imagine what they could do in a week ...

Silly idea?

Am I gonna get in trouble now?

Do I care?

Yes, just brainstorming.

Cool idea but code hacking (i.e. changing functionality) is futile as most code is self checking to see that .exe is the "correct" size. Adding or subtracting a simple function (like a button turned on or off based on some event) will change the size of the .exe and there fore will fail to run.

The other hacks you describe are actually outside the realm of self checkin the .exe. Color hacks etc are image based (typically called resources and are in separate files). Keygens are simply crunching text strings based on known algorithms.

You'd be better off pooling your money and starting a DAW software company and build all the correct functionality from the ground up like c@ckos or PreS@nus did. I'm pretty sure their software works exactly as advertised/designed, roight?

I still use Sonar v 5....and I'm still snickering at you all cause I think I'm way ahead of the curve.

Bub


I was thinkin' the other day, and it was probably the meds altering that thought pattern ... but ... if there's people out there that can make keygens, and hack the 30 day trial period thingy so it doesn't show up, and there's people out there that can hack the color scheme and toolbar, maybe we could put a pool of money together and pay someone to hack 8.5 and X1 so they work the way they were advertised to? Know what I mean? I'm not saying hack it so it's free for anyone to download and use, but pay someone to make a patch to fix the things that are wrong.

I remember when Ozone 5 came out. I heard about it the next day here on the forums, I did a search, and the first thing that came up was a crack for it from Oxygen. If they can do that in less than 24 hours, imagine what they could do in a week ...

Silly idea?

Am I gonna get in trouble now?

Do I care?

Yes, just brainstorming.

That's actually a good question, Bub. I've often thought of this myself. There was a video game that was released years ago that was incredible. The problem with it was, it wasn't totally done. We had the pleasure of meeting one of the dudes that made it who is still a gamer friend on Xbox 360 to this day.
 
There were two versions of the game. One for Playstation 2, the other for 360. The PS2 version had quite a few more bells and whistles than the 360 version. So I asked him about that and also asked what it would take for him to do the fixes we needed. This of course changed direction and we got to talking about hacking into programs and fixing bugs that have gone un-answered.
 
He told me that hacking into programs (with the right tools) is pretty easy, but if you don't see what the creators see with the actual code and editors they use, it would be near impossible to fix the bugs. Of course I know you know that something like that violates every law known to man about software and you were just brainstorming lol (which I do as well with this stuff) but the price for something like that would probably be incredible. He told me 100k to fix the video game we discussed and he HAD the actual code sitting there in front of him.
 
It was cool hanging with him because when he hosted a room, HIS version of the game literally gave us other options that he enabled that we never even saw or knew existed. So it was cool to see the capabilities that we would never see again.
 
I guess it would take some sort of crazy dude with cash to go to Cakewalk and say "listen, we'd be interested in buying the codes for 8.5 and X1 and creating the ulitmate DAW out of them." You know, sort of like how Shelby gets involved with Ford and creates a sooped up Mustang that has THEIR personal improvments? So we'd have something like "Shelby Cakewalk Sonar" to where it has modifications and additional enhancements that the Sonar version DOESN'T have. LOL! Now I'm brainstorming and am probably in trouble now. Hahahaha! But I gotta admit, I've thought about it too.
 
I'd love to see Sonar have some of the fixes and additions we've all hoped for. The one thing I like about Reaper is how you can customize every part of it to where the people on their forums literally have a group that enjoys doing these mods. It's almost like a contest they get into it so much. You've seen the stock Reaper look before, right? It's not too pleasing to me either...however, something like this was created recently and to have this capability for customization (not to mention how often they update and bug-fix) is pretty incredible for a DAW that works well for $60.00. This console alone makes me love it. LOL!
 
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/Rconsole.JPG
 
I still think it's light years away from Sonar in some areas, but I like their approach I have to confess.

digi2ns


Will there be continued bug fixes/support for X1 now that X2 is out, or do we have to play the "work around" until we fold and upgrade?

I don't think I've ever seen any continued support for something once they move on from it, Mike. Unless there is some sort of show-stopper maybe? But I don't remember ever learning that an older version was updated after it's no longer the DAW of that particular year. There may be exceptions to this...but I'm not aware of any personally.
 
The good thing is, the people on this forum are so insane with Cake products, if you asked questions specifically on what to do for a certain work-around, rest assured you'd probably have 10 different things for each question. So though it's a drag to have to use any work-arounds, it's nice to know that you'd most likely get quite a few to choose from. The power users on this forum are pretty intense with the stuff they come up with. Heck, they blow my doors off when I see how some of them use the program in ways I would never even think of. So if by chance you do have work-around questions get a list together and post it upstairs. I think you'll be astonished at how many responses you'll get. :)
 
-Danny

Man, I wish we could do that to Sonar. I just hate light grey text on medium grey backgrounds, it's torture. I get paranoid about running mods, so my X1 screen is destined not to inspire until X3. Maybe.

I like the idea of sharing colour schemes and/or custom skins for programs. It makes it a bit of fun.

ampfixer


Man, I wish we could do that to Sonar. I just hate light grey text on medium grey backgrounds, it's torture. I get paranoid about running mods, so my X1 screen is destined not to inspire until X3. Maybe.

I like the idea of sharing colour schemes and/or custom skins for programs. It makes it a bit of fun.

If it's any help amp, honest when I tell you....I've never had any issues with Panu's easy mods. In the event you have an issue where you think it may be the mod, renaming one file is all it takes to be back with the original Sonar. This of course is if you use his super basic mods for console colors etc. His big one...Duckbar, I have no experience with. But his little mods, absolutely painless I promise. All the crashes and issues I've had with X1, were reproducable without his mods applied. So if you consider them, honest, there's nothing to worry about. He has a patcher that won't even run if something isn't right and when it runs, it makes a back-up of your original file by default. Try it sometime, honest it's safe. I use them to this day without any issues. :)
 
I agree....I like the sharing idea too but in a sense, as much as it pains me to admit it, I think in a sense it degrades the product as far as a "pro level DAW" is concerened. Then again, if people started doing what is done with Reaper in Pro Tools, I would be willing to bet even the pro's wouldn't mind and would wind up using and sharing schemes. What I like is the ability to be able to create what YOU want to see while maintaining your DAW's aesthetics. You've seen stock Reaper...those buttons and the way it is, makes me feel like it's a lower level DAW. YET, it's pretty loaded with features and has bailed me out a few times. Add in a console look like the one I posted and it takes on a totally pro look and feel. Like I say, it's not Sonar, but some of the things that come with it would be nice additions for us to borrow from or even innovate from. Every DAW company does that anyway. :)
 
Amp, one other thing....this color scheme for Sonar is quick and painless. It takes seconds to do and seconds to undo to get back to stock in the event you don't like it.
 
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/DannyZone.JPG
 
-Danny