2013/06/02 05:30:12
jetnaik
I've had to scale down my budget a bit.I intend to run Sonar X2 Producer and NI Komplete 9.Please advise if this will be enough.
GA-H77M-D3H,i7 3700,Cooler Master Enforcer Mid tower Cabinet.
Corsair Force Series 128 Gb SSD,(2) SB 1TB Hard disk 7200 rpm,
(2)Corsair Vengeance DDR3 8GB,Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Cooler.
BenQ RL 2240 H 21.5 LED Backlit LCD monitor.
I have about 200 USD more to spare to improve on above specs.
Thanks guys.


2013/06/02 14:19:52
DW_Mike
I just checked my old recording PC and with all my software and plugins installed (this is a recording PC only) I'm at around 85 GB.
Of course that's OS and programs only. No samples, libraries, loops, presets etc.
Once you format and partition the SSD you won't have much room left.

I don't know what you will be installing but you don't want your drives to be too full.
A computer builder who does mostly recording builds recommended THIS SSD to me.
The read times are about the same but the write times are slower. As he pointed out, it's really the read times that matter anyway. And to be honest I have no complaints about my write times.


So I say for the extra 50 USD you might be better off with the extra space.
Which also leaves enough money to increase your RAM from 8GB to 16GB.


I think that would be the best bang for the buck.


Mike




2013/06/02 15:15:55
slartabartfast
I would go a step further than the chef, and suggest that you lose the SSD altogether, and put your money into larger hard drives. I have yet to see anyone on these forums complain that a 7200 rpm drive for OS & software has caused them any problems running Sonar. 


There are some people who claim that if you have a gigantic sample library that requires on-the-fly loading of samples from the drive, the improved read speed may avoid some problems, but never anyone who actually had to go to an SSD to solve problems with that.

The SSD may well be the wave of the future, but it probably adds nothing to the day to day use of a DAW except a fast boot. The same effect can be had by taking a couple of extra sips of coffee and using the boot lag to contemplate impermanence.

2013/06/02 15:47:09
DW_Mike
Very true indeed.
And with HD's like the Western Digital Black, It's 7200RPM, 6Gb/s with 64MB cache. Definitely not a slacker at all.


But if The OP is set on an SSD I still recommend the one I linked to.

Last year I would have killed for a HD as good as the WD I now have. And like you said, realistically the 7 seconds longer that it takes to boot up really isn't a deal breaker.

But I would definately up your RAM to at least 12. And 16 wouldnt hurt.

Mike
2013/06/03 03:08:58
jetnaik
Thanks guys.I think I will lose the SSD.Its 16 GB RAM atleast for sure.I think if I wait out another month I might be able to afford better.With Haswell out that may not be such a bad idea.Gr8 info on the thread Building an X2 + Gaming rig.I will be back with better specs.
Can some1 please compare the Asus Sabertooth Z77 vs P8 Z77-V Deluxe.
2013/06/03 08:40:55
Mesh
slartabartfast


I would go a step further than the chef, and suggest that you lose the SSD altogether, and put your money into larger hard drives. I have yet to see anyone on these forums complain that a 7200 rpm drive for OS & software has caused them any problems running Sonar. 


There are some people who claim that if you have a gigantic sample library that requires on-the-fly loading of samples from the drive, the improved read speed may avoid some problems, but never anyone who actually had to go to an SSD to solve problems with that.

The SSD may well be the wave of the future, but it probably adds nothing to the day to day use of a DAW except a fast boot. The same effect can be had by taking a couple of extra sips of coffee and using the boot lag to contemplate impermanence.

I also was planning on gettin a 250GB SSD OS drive as I thought it boots up faster as well as the software loads up much faster than the 7200's????.......but, if there's isn't much of a difference, I'd take your advice and put my money on a 7200. 
 
So, are these SSD's really just a lot of "hype" (except fot the fast boot) or are there any other benfits of using them?  
2013/06/03 10:18:34
DW_Mike
So, are these SSD's really just a lot of "hype" (except for the fast boot) or are there any other benefits of using them?



My whole system is just 'snappier'.
If you plan on just using one for OS and Programs then stick with a HDD.
Now, I have my second one for samples, libraries and even my present CW project is saving to it.
I notice a difference especially with things like switching drum sounds in Drumagog.


Once the project is done I will take the finished project off that drive and store it on my spinning drive and delete all associated files from SSD.


For live sample streaming an SSD can't be beat but for sitting home, playing with different sounds...Stick with a 7200 drive.


I went SSD because I could. And they are totally silent.
I would really love to keep the whole system running strictly off SSD's but it really isn't necessary. 
I just love new toys.


Build the best system you can using the best 7200 you can.
Then down the road if you want to take the SSD plunge it will most likely be cheaper with larger sizes.


Mike  
2013/06/03 11:34:37
Mesh
chefmike8888



So, are these SSD's really just a lot of "hype" (except for the fast boot) or are there any other benefits of using them?



My whole system is just 'snappier'.
If you plan on just using one for OS and Programs then stick with a HDD.
Now, I have my second one for samples, libraries and even my present CW project is saving to it.
I notice a difference especially with things like switching drum sounds in Drumagog.


Once the project is done I will take the finished project off that drive and store it on my spinning drive and delete all associated files from SSD.


For live sample streaming an SSD can't be beat but for sitting home, playing with different sounds...Stick with a 7200 drive.


I went SSD because I could. And they are totally silent.
I would really love to keep the whole system running strictly off SSD's but it really isn't necessary. 
I just love new toys.


Build the best system you can using the best 7200 you can.
Then down the road if you want to take the SSD plunge it will most likely be cheaper with larger sizes.


Mike  

Thanks Mike, makes perfect sense.....and getting 1 or 2 will depend on my budget.
 
@ Jetnaik, I also Googled for comparison reviews on those two boards and really couldn't any (besides forum users giving their opinions). I think it comes down which features you'll need/be using to make a decision......I'm also in a similar predicament, but with different boards....:)
 
The Sabertooth seems to be the more "popular" one that's great ot OCing and has a 5 yr. warranty, but the Deluxe seems to have more feature....you might have to put all the features side-by-side and take it from there.  
2013/06/06 10:45:28
jjthomas
agree with drop the SSD and put your money towards RAM and 7200 drives.  I've got 95G left on a 238G SSD and I am still loading VST's and need to load more games.  I'm running Windows 8.
 
I purchased 4 Western Digital drives in 2008, 3 of them failed within 2 years.  I went with Seagate this time around.
 
Asus Sabertooth Z77 vs P8 Z77-V Deluxe.:
The Sabertooth is an awesome board, I looked at it and turned it down.  If you are building a DAW, quiet is important, the board has two fans, they will add noise to the room.  My 2008 build was based on an Asus and is now on its third fan.  Getting rid those tiny fans, it is so quiet in my computer room, I can hear the hard drive heads moving.  My concern for the Z77-V, is do you really want someone to be able to control your computer via a cell phone?  The last attack on my computer was from a cell phone.  Of the three boards you listed I would go with the GA-H77M-D3H.
 
Asus makes excellent motherboards, as does Gigabyte.  I would stay away from anything that comes with any kind of chipset fans.
 
-JJ
2013/06/06 14:50:57
Truckermusic
+1 to Chef's advice
Two years ago I built me a new system......I used Only 1 TB drives.....no SSD's.....
Is the system a bit slow to boot? Yep....Do I really have an issue with it.....only when my hair is on fire.......which is not often enough for me to care about....
 
Would I use the same drives again in the next build.....absolutely......
You cannot have enough storage and RAM
 
So Yeah....What Chef says.....
 
Actually you really do not what to know How many 1 TB drives I have hooked up to this system......but in the words of Tim Allen..........eeerrrgg.MORE POWER!!!!!!! or in this case MORE STORAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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