sharke

...I had to picture a guitar fretboard to figure it out.
 

 
Sadly I suffer from the same affliction.
 
Regards,

Well... I posted in the wrong thread and think I totally missed the damned point of it in the first place.
 
Today... today sucks.
 
Today can bite a furry one.

The Band19
There is no H, how hard could it be? (I told my son this just today during his first real music lesson :-) 

Unless you're talking German notation.
 
 

1st don't to daunted, 2nd pick a place to start.  For instance start learning the formulas of chords 1-3-5 is a major chord.  Start imagining how this might look on a Stave.  As some have suggested circle of 5ths.  The way I learnt my key signatures was play my favourite songs off a piece of sheet music and look at the key signature.  After a while it became 2nd nature.  A tip about key signatures, in most cases not all the leading note or beginning note of the piece tends to be the key, you then just have to work out if its major or minor.  There a number of apps too.
 
Just remember this a language you are learning and it will take time, I'm still wonky after 28 years, I've been told that I got to chapter 25 of the theory book and threw it away after that.  It does indeed become a little superfluous after a certain point, even limiting.  But def take a practical route when learning, sheet music and a music theory book.
 
Cheers  

sharke

timidi
" what a b13 in the key of Eb is,"
 
Um, er, ........ What??
 
So, in Eb talk, you got B, Eb, Gb, A, Ab
Figurin that in the key of Eb is well, um maybe an Eb b5#5sus. Maybe. um. idunno..

A b13 is the same as an augmented 5th (talking intervals here, not chords). So in Eb that would be B. I had to picture a guitar fretboard to figure it out.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you're talking about then.
A B13 would never be an interval. It is a chord. I know you just said that but I just think you're thinking about it all in a strange kind of way maybe. As far as scales go, a B13 would be a dominant in the key of E. An 13 chord in the key of Eb would be Bb13. 
saying "I'd like to know in an instant what a b13 in the key of Eb is" is, to me, a mind warping conundrum.
 
As I said, I think I don't understand what you're trying to understand.
 

timidi

sharke

timidi
" what a b13 in the key of Eb is,"

Um, er, ........ What??

So, in Eb talk, you got B, Eb, Gb, A, Ab
Figurin that in the key of Eb is well, um maybe an Eb b5#5sus. Maybe. um. idunno..

A b13 is the same as an augmented 5th (talking intervals here, not chords). So in Eb that would be B. I had to picture a guitar fretboard to figure it out.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you're talking about then.
A B13 would never be an interval. It is a chord. I know you just said that but I just think you're thinking about it all in a strange kind of way maybe. As far as scales go, a B13 would be a dominant in the key of E. An 13 chord in the key of Eb would be Bb13. 
saying "I'd like to know in an instant what a b13 in the key of Eb is" is, to me, a mind warping conundrum.
 
As I said, I think I don't understand what you're trying to understand.
 

I think he meant "flat 13" (b13) and not B13.  It confused me at first, too.

OOOOHH. 
 
DOH.........
 
Thanks Van..

vanblah

timidi

sharke

timidi
" what a b13 in the key of Eb is,"

Um, er, ........ What??

So, in Eb talk, you got B, Eb, Gb, A, Ab
Figurin that in the key of Eb is well, um maybe an Eb b5#5sus. Maybe. um. idunno..

A b13 is the same as an augmented 5th (talking intervals here, not chords). So in Eb that would be B. I had to picture a guitar fretboard to figure it out.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you're talking about then.
A B13 would never be an interval. It is a chord. I know you just said that but I just think you're thinking about it all in a strange kind of way maybe. As far as scales go, a B13 would be a dominant in the key of E. An 13 chord in the key of Eb would be Bb13. 
saying "I'd like to know in an instant what a b13 in the key of Eb is" is, to me, a mind warping conundrum.
 
As I said, I think I don't understand what you're trying to understand.
 

I think he meant "flat 13" (b13) and not B13.  It confused me at first, too.

Yeah I though it was understood that a lower case 'b' means 'flat' and not the note name. 

it dawned on me that there is no such thing as a flat 13. Well, I mean mathematically I guess you could justify it or somethin. Pretty sure It would be a #5.  No??

You are referring to the enharmonic note names but there is a difference. The #5 of middle C say is the G# (Ab) in that same octave above middle C.
 
What you are forgetting is the b13 is the G# (Ab) in the octave above the octave middle C is in. It is a higher note than the #5 you are talking about. Same note but different octave. Jazz voicings refer to these notes eg 9th , 11th 13th etc..They are wanting you to use those extensions in the same octave.
 
But no reason you have to either. A 9th sits well as a second and some of these notes sound better in a lower octave instead. It just depends on what sounds better. You might a natural fifth for example (G) and putting a #5 right next to it may not sound so good. (G and G# together, some may see this as a clash!) But a G natural in a lower octave and a G# in a higher octave can work and sound quite fine in fact.
 
Same as singing a bluesy b3 in a higher ocatve while the Maj 3rd is in the dominant chord in a lower octave. All works and sits OK!!