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2014/03/15 11:43:54
Jay Tee 4303
bitflipper
That's actually not a bad suggestion, Jay. It might just dampen that artificial boost. It won't compensate for the total lack of content below the port frequency, but it could at least soften the unnatural bump at 120 Hz. I'd use a pair of heavy wool socks rather than foam, though.


Wish I could take credit Bit,  but that Mixing Secret originated with Mike Senior. He suggests it exactly as you describe, not a fix, but to see better how the port unnaturally pumps the lows. And yep, sox gotta be better than foam. Course I'm already usin most of em for dust covers on my mics. Oh well...I'll just go barefoot, get some moonshine jugs with candles stuck in em, and see if I can draw some Nashville business. If all else fails, most of my clans from three counties well north o Raleigh, back to my roots, yeehaa!
2014/03/16 20:59:33
robotecho
Jeff Evans
Is there a way you could post the mix somewhere you are talking about.  It might be good to check it.  You could have too much bass in your mix and the bottom end might be out of control.  I don't think so but it might be good just to check it none the less.

 
Hi Jeff, my first reaction to this request was sheer terror. But on thinking about it, I have to get it out there sometime, and its a very generous offer to have some experienced ears take a listen to the mix, so I've posted an excerpt for you. Hopefully I've filtered off the sub bass so I don't think that's a problem, but there is quite a lot going on in low mids, and I do love reverb and delay. Since first posting I have pulled the resonant bass sound back to mono, and that seems to have focused it a lot more, but I do suspect it is problematic and would appreciate any feedback about the bass and the mix in general. Its a fairly rough mix but I am getting pretty serious about finalising it now.
 
Edit: Link to soundcloud
 
https://soundcloud.com/ro..cho/problembass/s-MeZ3D
 
2014/03/16 21:06:18
robotecho
Jay Tee 4303
Stuff foam in the bass port.

bitflipper
That's actually not a bad suggestion, Jay. It might just dampen that artificial boost. It won't compensate for the total lack of content below the port frequency, but it could at least soften the unnatural bump at 120 Hz. I'd use a pair of heavy wool socks rather than foam, though.

 
This has greatly improved the sound, in fact I'm surprised how little I'm missing any of the bass its taken out, its just a bit clearer. The socks are now permanently integrated into the system, and a pair should probably ship in the box when you buy it.

sharke
I would recommend getting a VRM box as an additional reference. You can check your mix in cans through loads of speaker and room simulations. They're especially good at warning you about potential bass translation issues.


I've never heard of this before, will definitely look into it.
2014/03/17 12:01:30
Guitarhacker
you should now be able to post links..... upload the song to soundcloud and post the link to it.
 
I got a warning when I tried to open that link you posted. Kinda rather not try it.... IUKWIM
2014/03/17 18:02:12
robotecho
Guitarhacker
you should now be able to post links..... upload the song to soundcloud and post the link to it.
 
I got a warning when I tried to open that link you posted. Kinda rather not try it.... IUKWIM




Its a wav file... your anti-virus is paranoid! OK, I'll work something out. I have a soundcloud account, but that's public and attached to this project so I don't want to upload anything to it. I'll try and set up a new account or something.
 
Edit: Done
2014/03/17 21:44:42
robotecho
Here's a link to the excerpt on Soundcloud:
 
https://soundcloud.com/ro6otecho/problembass/s-MeZ3D
 
Notes from above:  I've filtered off the sub bass so I don't think that's a problem, but there is quite a lot going on in low mids, and I do love reverb and delay. Since first posting I have pulled the resonant bass sound back to mono, and that seems to have focused it a lot more, but I do suspect it is problematic and would appreciate any feedback about the bass and the mix in general. Its a fairly rough mix but I am getting pretty serious about finalising it now.
2014/03/18 00:29:55
Jeff Evans
Rob the mix sounds good on my system and although yes there is that sustained low end it is not out of control or anything like that. It is not making my speakers move unnecessarily etc.. The kick also sounds OK. The mix is pretty good overall actually. The mix is making my VU meters move in a slightly funny way but nothing serious. I think that is just the nature of the music. So the problem is not in your mix I dont think, it is in the way the Bose system is reproducing it. It sounds OK on my small mono speaker too and that is always a good sign. Nice cool groove too, I like it.
 
 
2014/03/18 01:20:50
robotecho
Jeff thanks so much for taking the time to have a listen and provide some feedback. Its very helpful to get some closure on this issue, and extremely helpful to get some good feedback on the work in general from someone with more experience. I've been very positive about this project but the gremlins have crept in during the last few weeks and I've really been second guessing myself a lot. I don't think you can do this work in a vacuum. Thanks again.
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