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2017/11/28 00:44:03
slartabartfast
Linear Phase
I doubt Gibson is interested in selling the company.  Obviously they want to write the brand off, but hold onto the intellectual property....
 
Gibson essentially, "corporately raided," cakewalk.   Sorry, but that is reality
 
Go watch the movie Wall Street, or Other People's Money
 


I am afraid you are massively overvaluing the "intellectual property." Without active development, there are a few SONAR-only effects, and a couple of very old in the tooth synths. That is a very crowded market and many of the products in that very large group will have access to bug fixes and updates to keep them running in new versions of the OS. Would you pay a high price for the Cakewalk synths now? SONAR itself requires constant attention, and finding a crew to come in and resurrect it after losing your development and support staff would be far more expensive than keeping it open. Apparently Cakewalk was losing money when it was dumped by Roland, and rather than being "raided" for its copyrights and trade names, it was supposed to have been a turnaround. Gibson may have screwed the pooch on the rescue, but if a raid was the plan they would have broken it up and sold the better stuff years ago, while it still had some shelf life.
2017/11/28 00:55:51
SteveStrummerUK
DeeringAmps
Here's the problem as I see it for any potential buyer.
A significant number of the user base are eligible for "free lifetime updates".
If the only revenue source is new users, financial solvency is going to be an "uphill slog" at best.
 




Which makes you wonder why they implemented free lifetime updates at all.
 
I'm sure we'd have all been pretty happy to carry on shelling out $99 - $199 every year like always if it gave the business a firmer financial footing.
 
To me, it all seemed a bit desperate at the time.
2017/11/28 09:44:31
DrLumen
The real question is not really the sale price but the amount of debt that one would have to assume.
 
One could always call Gibson corp and see who would talk to you about it. If they were serious and thought you were serious about buying, someone would get on the phone.
2017/11/28 11:16:24
Wibbles
It doesn't seem like a great start if you're asking who to contact in a public internet forum. 
2017/11/28 13:15:29
jamesg1213
DrLumen
The real question is not really the sale price but the amount of debt that one would have to assume.
 
One could always call Gibson corp and see who would talk to you about it. If they were serious and thought you were serious about buying, someone would get on the phone.




Exactly. Beats me why anyone would consider buying a failed company, unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
 
 
2017/11/28 15:57:03
craigb
jamesg1213
DrLumen
The real question is not really the sale price but the amount of debt that one would have to assume.
 
One could always call Gibson corp and see who would talk to you about it. If they were serious and thought you were serious about buying, someone would get on the phone.




Exactly. Beats me why anyone would consider buying a failed company, unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
 
 




Or you're a wealthy fan of Cakewalk with money to burn! 
2017/11/28 19:47:42
batsbrew
CASH MONEY TALKS.
 
and, that's about all.
 
if you are sitting on a big pile of cash,
i'm sure they'll do business with you.
 
otherwise, it falls under that 'pie in the sky' category.
 
2017/11/28 19:53:14
bapu
jamesg1213
 
 
unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
 
 


Software assets (IMO) are worthless to the competitors (especially those that are multi-platform).
 
Now the competitors are addressing the customer base by offering lower than BF Sales cross grade offers.
 
Simples.
2017/11/28 21:00:31
jamesg1213
bapu
jamesg1213
 
 
unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
 
 


Software assets (IMO) are worthless to the competitors (especially those that are multi-platform).
 
Now the competitors are addressing the customer base by offering lower than BF Sales cross grade offers.
 
Simples.




Yes, that was my point really. When I was in manufacturing our closest rival went into liquidation and we bought the assets for a knock-down price. Effectively increased our client base by about 75% and got a whole factory full of machinery into the bargain. Different kettle o' fish to software.
2017/11/28 21:09:17
paulo
jamesg1213
bapu
jamesg1213
 
 
unless you were a competitor and the assets and client base were worth having.
 
 


Software assets (IMO) are worthless to the competitors (especially those that are multi-platform).
 
Now the competitors are addressing the customer base by offering lower than BF Sales cross grade offers.
 
Simples.




Yes, that was my point really. When I was in manufacturing our closet rival went into liquidation and we bought the assets for a knock-down price. Effectively increased our client base by about 75% and got a whole factory full of machinery into the bargain. Different kettle o' fish to software.




Did your rival eventually come out of the closet?
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