2012/09/20 23:43:25
offnote
I mean let say you come with something really good and you post it, then some pro or even celebrity
by accident will hear it and use it in his recording and get golden record. It doesn't have to be a whole song but a phrase, rhythm or something like that. Wouldn't you be angry? Most amateurs I guess do not  have enough time and will to protect their copy writes. 

So you hear on TV or radio your song or part of your song sang by some dude and what do you do?
   
2012/09/20 23:55:29
Rain
You don't need to post it online. 

Marilyn Manson once "borrowed" a song from me, of course w/ no chance of him even hearing it - not the entire thing, but the chorus. Same chords, same tempo, same mood, same melody almost note for note - something I had written a few years before Mechanical Animal came out and which has been sleeping on the shelf on 1/4 tape ever since.

I forgave him because his version was just much better than mine. ;)

Nine Inch Nails also "stole" an idea I had for a movie when I was in film class. Since the teacher insisted that I should work w/ someone and form a team and since I didn't want someone else to fail because of my weird ideas, I wrote a different scenario. 

But it was pretty surprising to see my "vision" finally make it on film when I saw "Pinion" on MTV a year later.
2012/09/20 23:58:04
yorolpal
Your paranoia is unfounded.  It assumes that your musical output is demonstrably "better" or more "engaging" than the other thousands of postings by every other musical wannabe on planet earth.  Not that it might not be, mind...just that the odds are pretty long.  It has been my experience that true professional music producers and creators are, for lack of a better term, not "studying you".  Or me.  There are simple self evident reasons why you (or me) is not yet an international mega star.  My advice is to learn how to live with that. YMMV.
2012/09/20 23:59:44
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Rain


You don't need to post it online. 

Marilyn Manson once "borrowed" a song from me, of course w/ no chance of him even hearing it - not the entire thing, but the chorus. Same chords, same tempo, same mood, same melody almost note for note - something I had written a few years before Mechanical Animal came out and which has been sleeping on the shelf on 1/4 tape ever since.


so how did he do that??? telepathy? or did he overhear you humming it...

2012/09/21 00:08:19
Rain
If I were a hippie, I'd tell you something like - it's the universal mind at work, bro... ;)

I posted a thread last winter about a new song I had written for my wife, one which I had really worked on to develop the vocal line - only to have my wife tell me that it was almost exactly the same thing as a classical piece she had studied in school. I have no clue where and when I could have heard that... But it was indeed very resemblant.

So I can definitely understand how the same ideas show up at different places/different times.
2012/09/21 00:09:39
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yorolpal


Your paranoia is unfounded.  It assumes that your musical output is demonstrably "better" or more "engaging" than the other thousands of postings by every other musical wannabe on planet earth.  Not that it might not be, mind...just that the odds are pretty long.  It has been my experience that true professional music producers and creators are, for lack of a better term, not "studying you".  Or me.  There are simple self evident reasons why you (or me) is not yet an international mega star.  My advice is to learn how to live with that. YMMV.

I don't agree, everybody "study" everything and everybody when they have a chance and it has nothing to do with being better then somebody else.
It's all  about luck, being in right place in the right moment. We all know  many of pros and famous are not all that good anyway. This is not paranoia just curiosity, accidents happens more often then you think. Deep in side I'd like to write something meaningful someday, don't you?


2012/09/21 00:14:25
yorolpal
Ok...go on with your bad self then.  Lock the doors...pull the covers up tight...and don't let the bedbugs bite.  
2012/09/21 00:22:14
Bub
I have a couple originals im afraid to post for fear of thm being stolen. One of them i could seripusly hear being played on the radio now WITH THE RIGHT BAND. SORRY FOR CAPS
2012/09/21 00:29:09
yorolpal
Why don't you just copywrite them and shop them around?
2012/09/21 00:31:08
Rain
offnote

 Deep in side I'd like to write something meaningful someday, don't you? 


I like to think I did, a few times in the last 20 or so years. Not many times, mind you, even though I'm relatively satisfied w/ other songs I've written too. But these few songs I know they are good ones - I feel lucky to have written them and I can still enjoy listening to them 10 or 15 years later, almost as if they weren't mine. That's as much as I want.


What if someone "stole" them? Honestly, I don't think this is likely to happen and I don't know how much I'd care. I didn't write any of these to make money or become someone, I wrote them because that's what I do - I write music. When one's done, it's on to the next one. 


Of course I could do w/ the money of success, but all the rest just isn't for me. I already have to deal w/ some of it via my wife, and honestly, I don't envy any of it. As long as I have a roof over my head, 3 meals a day, a couple of beers every now and then and the occasional plug-in, I'm happy sitting here and writing.


Plus, I met my wife because of my music, because she dug it. It doesn't get any better than this on the quest for meaning. ;)
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