Paul Simon heard an (at the time) relatively unknown folk guitarist, Martin Carthy, sing "Scarborough Fair" at a club in London, then went ahead and ripped off the arrangement for himself. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCjUDUshHdQ

Jimmy Page did much the same, ripping his "Black Mountainside" from Bert Jansch's "Black Waterside." 

Neither artist gave or acknowledged credit until many years later. 

Artists have been ripping each other off and "borrowing" from each other for years. If you don't want it to happen to you, then copyright your music and unleash the full extent of the law on anyone who rips you off. Simple as that. 

Well, OTOH, I participate in a couple forums that are more instrumental/orchestral composer oriented, and at least on those forums, theft has sometimes proven a real problem (of course a couple of the contributors to those forums are much higher up on the compositional music food chain than most any of us-including moi).

Rain


Of course I could do w/ the money of success, but all the rest just isn't for me. I already have to deal w/ some of it via my wife, and honestly, I don't envy any of it. As long as I have a roof over my head, 3 meals a day, a couple of beers every now and then and the occasional plug-in, I'm happy sitting here and writing.

I heard that once unknown JJ Cale was sitting and writing at home all for himself and his cat when "friends" stole his tapes and publish it,
then Clapton make money on his Cocaine.... When you look on youtube a lot of idiots thinks Clapton wrote that songs. 

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I heard that once unknown JJ Cale was sitting and writing at home all for himself and his cat when "friends" stole his tapes and publish it,
then Clapton make money on his Cocaine.... When you look on youtube a lot of idiots thinks Clapton wrote that songs. 

Clapton didn't write Cocaine?! Oh well, my favorite Clapton song is I shot the Sherif, anyway... ;)

I know how I'd feel w/ myself stealing someone else's work or getting credit for something I haven't done. The other side of the coin is that I can recognize when I do good w/o recognition from the outside. 

I have many other reasons to despise idiots - thinking that Clapton wrote Cocaine is a relatively minor offense by comparison. 


Which only goes to show - if you seek meaning through public recognition, you better be prepared because fans are quite often just like those people who believe that Clapton wrote Cocaine. Having such people worship you doesn't mean crap... I'd feel dirty if I had to not only put up w/ those people but please them w/ my music.

Rain


Which only goes to show - if you seek meaning through public recognition, you better be prepared because fans are quite often just like those people who believe that Clapton wrote Cocaine. Having such people worship you doesn't mean crap... I'd feel dirty if I had to not only put up w/ those people but please them w/ my music.

of course not, as a matter of fact I m more like JJ Cale in nature and hate crowd 

For me the sign my song is good enough is that I can listen to it along with other songs.

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Rain


Which only goes to show - if you seek meaning through public recognition, you better be prepared because fans are quite often just like those people who believe that Clapton wrote Cocaine. Having such people worship you doesn't mean crap... I'd feel dirty if I had to not only put up w/ those people but please them w/ my music.

of course not, as a matter of fact I m more like JJ Cale in nature and hate crowd 

For me the sign my song is good enough is that I can listen to it along with other songs.

A couple of years ago, I was going through a very dark period of my life - pretty much everything was going down hill. 


I remember one night when I finally felt the need to get out of my head and see some friends I had neglected. I dropped by unannounced and when I walked in, a bunch of friends and strangers were there, casually listening to a song I had written years before - it was just another song in a playlist squeezed in between The Cure, Killing Joke, Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, Joy Division and NIN and such...


That almost brought a tear to my eyes. To see people listening to MY music casually, w/o me asking "would you listen to this?" or w/o even paying that much attention to it. Man, that was powerful. 


I've had songs on the radio back home, in movie festivals in Europe, I've played for reasonably big crowds and had people sucking up to me and my band... But nothing ever made me feel like that one insignificant moment.

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Rain


Of course I could do w/ the money of success, but all the rest just isn't for me. I already have to deal w/ some of it via my wife, and honestly, I don't envy any of it. As long as I have a roof over my head, 3 meals a day, a couple of beers every now and then and the occasional plug-in, I'm happy sitting here and writing.

I heard that once unknown JJ Cale was sitting and writing at home all for himself and his cat when "friends" stole his tapes and publish it,
then Clapton make money on his Cocaine.... When you look on youtube a lot of idiots thinks Clapton wrote that songs. 

I don't think Clapton "stole" the song.  J.J. Cale gained some popularity because of Clapton's version.  I imagine Mr. Cale has received a few royalty checks for it.  Some people are just not that interested in that sort of detail.  


There are many songs where the cover version is so popular that many outside of music circles aren't aware of the original.  For example, lots of people don't know that "Black Magic Woman" is composed by Peter Green and originally performed by Fleetwood Mac and not written by Santana.  

Rain

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Rain


Which only goes to show - if you seek meaning through public recognition, you better be prepared because fans are quite often just like those people who believe that Clapton wrote Cocaine. Having such people worship you doesn't mean crap... I'd feel dirty if I had to not only put up w/ those people but please them w/ my music.

of course not, as a matter of fact I m more like JJ Cale in nature and hate crowd 

For me the sign my song is good enough is that I can listen to it along with other songs.

A couple of years ago, I was going through a very dark period of my life - pretty much everything was going down hill. 


I remember one night when I finally felt the need to get out of my head and see some friends I had neglected. I dropped by unannounced and when I walked in, a bunch of friends and strangers were there, casually listening to a song I had written years before - it was just another song in a playlist squeezed in between The Cure, Killing Joke, Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, Joy Division and NIN and such...


That almost brought a tear to my eyes. To see people listening to MY music casually, w/o me asking "would you listen to this?" or w/o even paying that much attention to it. Man, that was powerful. 


I've had songs on the radio back home, in movie festivals in Europe, I've played for reasonably big crowds and had people sucking up to me and my band... But nothing ever made me feel like that one insignificant moment.

I know what you mean. I once recorded a banjo version of The Ace Of Spades with a friend, for fun, and heard it in a bar one night. Apparently the CD had ended up in the jukebox. Such a buzz (the beer helped as well though). 

Shhhhhh.....................



Where do you think I get all my material from

I may be wrong but I think any member of Th CHB would be honored if someone did rip off any part of  OUR SONGS

Unless they take my Am bass note. Then I sue the baystids.