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2017/11/27 20:20:31
Audioicon
There are lots of blame to go around.
But lets put the BS chameleon behavior aside.

How would you do things differently if you were in charge of Cakewalk?



2017/11/27 20:33:56
Annabelle
One thing I would do, probably the most important thing of all, if I were in charge of Cakewalk, is make sure the software is programmed with everybody in mind. Not just the sighted, but those musicians who are blind as well. After all, music is not only what you see with your eyes, but what you hear with your ears!
2017/11/27 20:41:41
Slugbaby
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How would you do things differently if you were in charge of Cakewalk?

I would take the positive feedback from this forum, and add it to my resume (and confidence) when going to look for a new job.
2017/11/27 20:44:52
bluzdog
Assess blame = job 1
 
Rocky
2017/11/27 20:58:53
paulo
I think it's fair to say that they and the head cheerleader haven't exactly been totally honest in all of this. I guess CW  couldn't exactly say...."hey folks....check out our discounted sale of the prices we only just put up and this great new whatever the point of it is that we just made. Please, please buy this stuff soon or we'll probably go bust and all you who paid for lifetime updates will have been screwed over, but you probably knew it was too good to be true really, right?"
 
I don't think anybody can say what they would have done differently as none of us know the numbers and what they were up against/having to deal with, but IMO the promised info re self authorisation should have accompanied the initial announcement - would have saved a lot of anxiety for their customers. I guess that maybe they had no control over that.
2017/11/27 21:23:18
denverdrummer
Blame is not the word to use.  Were there missteps?  for sure, but it's more about what the market will bear.  When the Betamax vs VHS wars were going on, the inferior technology won out?  Why?  Market saturation.
 
I haven't seen any recent number since 2014, but back then Sonar was the 4th or 5th most installed DAW on Windows computers, when it was a Windows only DAW!  This was a company that didn't make hardware, so it was impossible to get the kind of market saturation necessary to sustain itself.  At some point this was going to come crashing down.
 
2017/11/27 21:52:34
35mm
I don't think the blame lies with Cakewalk. If it wasn't for Gibson Cakewalk would more than likely still be going onward.
2017/11/27 21:57:28
200bpm
Maybe selling themselves to Roland was the death knell?
2017/11/27 22:00:57
sharke
I should think in reality there's a lot of blame to go round, both Gibson and Cakewalk. At the end of the day Cakewalk were responsible for the direction the program was headed, and that direction was not enough to attract new users in the kind of numbers that would have saved the company. I've said it a lot before and I still think it's true - Cakewalk did not do enough to attract fresh new amateur bedroom producers.

These kids aren't miking up drums and guitars and soundproofing rooms and recording bands, they're using synths and samplers and a plethora of modern electronic production techniques to make contemporary styles of music, and they're doing it in small rooms on headphones. There was literally nothing steering this market demographic to Sonar instead of FL and Ableton. Pro Tools has the pro studio market cornered, and it was frequently apparent to me that Sonar's core base continued to be older guys who write and produce more traditional forms of music.

Ask the question "how long have you been using Sonar" either on this forum or the Facebook groups, and 90% of the answers will be along the lines of "Since the DOS days - here's a photo of my original floppies!" or "been using it since 1998." You'll be lucky to see a single person who says they just started using it. It had an image as a long in the tooth DAW popular with aging guitarists, even though it is better than things like Ableton and FL in so many ways. Many here never saw a problem with that and said they were happy to use a program which doesn't appeal to kids. Well, those kids have money - their parent's money - and Cakewalk needed it. Desperately.
2017/11/27 22:06:33
35mm
sharke
I should think in reality there's a lot of blame to go round, both Gibson and Cakewalk. At the end of the day Cakewalk were responsible for the direction the program was headed...

But were they? We have no idea what constraints their overlords at Gibson put on them. We don't know if the free lifetime updates were Cakewalk's idea or imposed on them by Gibson.
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