2012/09/10 17:13:01
Psalmist35
Such sad news UB.  My sincerest sympathy to you, your son and the family of Chris and Alyssa.
2012/09/10 17:15:08
UbiquitousBubba
I agree that I don't have all the facts.  I wasn't there.  I'm only relaying the accounts as I recieved them.  I'm told that the bike was not speeding or swerving across lanes.  I'm told that the bike was not driving erratically or in an unpredictable manner.  Am I guilty of villifying the driver of the Jeep?  If so, that was not my intent. 

As a driver, he was responsible to look before pulling out into the intersection.  I don't know why he didn't see the bike.  Perhaps he was distracted.  Perhaps he glanced quickly, didn't see the bike, and pulled out.  Perhaps he was in a hurry.  I don't know.  When you're behind the wheel, you're responsible to put all that other garbage aside and watch where you're going.  It's simple. 

I'm sure it's a devastating thing to live with the knowledge that your actions resulted in the deaths of two people.  I can't imagine how I would respond in that situation.  I hope I never have to find out.  I'm sure this driver feels horrible.  That pales in significance, in my opinion, to the loss the family feels. 

In my completely useless and worthless opinion, I think driving a vehicle comes with a heavy and serious responsibility to safeguard other people's lives.  I tell my kids that getting behind the wheel is assuming responsibility for a lethal weapon.  I don't think there are very many people who care about this.  The vast majority I see act like they have no concern for other people at all.

Am I a bad person for assigning blame to the driver of the Jeep in this case?  Could be.  The fact is, he pulled out into an intersection and ran over a motorcycle.  If it turns out that there is some mitigating circumstance that makes that okay, then I can rethink that position.  Since I can't imagine such a circumstance, I'm left with my original assessment. 

No, I don't have all the facts.  We probably will never have all the facts.  Given that the people killed were not wealthy, there will probably be no serious investigation.  Given that there have been accidents there before, there will probably be no investigation.  Given the fact that the police are mostly ineffective, there will be no noticable change in the future.  Given the fact that speed limits in Illinois are selectively enforced and the populace generally disregards them, there will be no change. 

I'm not saying the driver is a murderer and deserves to die.  I'm not saying he's a bad person.  I'm just saying that his actions resulted in the deaths of two people and there should be more accountability than a $75 lane change ticket.  I don't know what the correct charges and penalty should be.  I don't know if he should be charged with vehicular manslaughter, reckless driving, or something else.  I don't know what the appropriate penalties should be, either.  I don't believe that holding him accountable is villifying him in any way.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.  Feel free to disregard as you see fit.
2012/09/10 17:32:33
The Maillard Reaction
I don't think it is a bad link. It's just slow DNS distribution.

Check back later to access the server or, in the mean time you may view the web pages as they have already been cached on Google.


best regards,
mike


bapu



UbiquitousBubba


Thanks so much for your support.  For those interested, the family stated in the obituary the following statement about donations.  I'm unable to access the site from this office, but I was able to access this site over the weekend.

memorial donations may be made to the Ludovice Memorial Fund at ChrisAndAlyssa.org.

Bad link.


Please update when you can Bubba.



2012/09/10 17:35:57
UbiquitousBubba
I've asked for an updated link or alternate link just in case.  If I get an alternate, I'll let you all know.  Thanks for your concern.

PS, Mike, I re-read my previous post and it sounds harsh.  It was not intended to be.  I agree with you that we should not rush to judgement and villify someone in a misguided search for "justice". 
2012/09/10 18:05:05
spacealf
There are lawyers who will take the case for free, and only collect if they win the case against the other family. Sorry to hear about such a tragedy but there are people who will help, just find those people and do it.
2012/09/10 19:12:23
alexoosthoek
UbiquitousBubba


Last week, a man and his 16 year old girl were riding a motorcycle not far from my neighborhood.  Neither of them were wearing helmets.  This guy, Chris, was an experienced rider who rode all the time. 
 
There was no alcohol or drugs involved.  It was daylight, clear weather, with no obstructions.  Chris and his daughter, Alyssa, were travelling straight through an intersection and a Jeep heading the other direction was waiting to turn left.  The driver of the Jeep said he never saw the bike.  Witnesses said that he just pulled out and ran over the bike. 
 
Alyssa landed on the back of her neck.  She was pronounced brain-dead at the scene.  Chris was coherent for about 5 minutes, then took a sharp decline.  He died 15 minutes later.  Police said they would have died even if they had worn helmets.
 
I know about this accident only because Alyssa was a good friend of one of my sons.  We went to the memorial service this weekend.  My kids are processing it and are doing fine.  (They're much more mature at their age than I was.)
 
The driver of the Jeep received a ticket for an improper lane change.
 
That's all.  Two people died, and he only got a ticket.  I've gotten in more trouble with parking permits.
 
Fortunately, the Government is able to accurately asses the value of human life.  2 of them are worth $75. 


Sorry to hear this Bubba, good thoughts for you and yours and the family.
2012/09/10 20:00:02
Randy P
Bubba.

The family doesn't need money to hire a lawyer. These cases are taken on a "contengency" basis. The lawyer doesn't get paid until they collect from the insurance company. Please make them aware of this.

When my daughter was run over in a crosswalk this spring, all it took was one phone call and my attorney took over. Within 90 days, all her substantial medical bills were paid, and will be for life for the injury she suffered. She also received a large cash settlement. I'm talking 5 figures.

The driver was cited for a minor leaving the scene of an accident.  

I'm sorry for the families suffering, including your own kids. I've been through a few of these situations with my own over the years. It's tough to know what to say to them. Just being there is the key.

Randy

2012/09/10 20:03:33
Old55
I'm so sorry to hear of this tragedy and some of the others in this thread.  

If the driver has any conscience at all, he/she is looking forward to many sleepless nights even if no charges are filed or suits brought.  

My thoughts are with the family.  



2012/09/10 23:05:42
Rain
Sad, sad story. 
2012/09/10 23:20:41
craigb
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