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2012/12/27 19:56:33
Fendicator
Thanks Jeff for keeping me up to speed, i am taking notes from you guys as I go. I just lowered my rhythm distortion as you suggested, it still sounds good and not so over bearing.

I will be using Amplitube 3 for all my guitars, however I do like the TH2 overloud amp that came with Sonar x2. My amp 3 setting are the metal lead T amp with the diode overdrive pedal. The diode pedal reminds me of my D0D FX7 that I used for 15 years. I am just used to that distortion sound.
2012/12/28 10:11:37
Kalle Rantaaho
I'm curious about how you monitor your sound? Do you hear the drums and bass clearly in your setup, as I can't hear them properly with my headphones. I hope you'll let us all hear the new mixes by forum colleagues.
2012/12/28 20:24:21
Fendicator
My monitor setup is some old 2.0 JBL speakers. http://www.amazon.com/HP-SERIES-SPEAKERS-CARBONITE-DE893B-ABA/dp/B0000C4DW4 

I have them about 8 feet apart and I am sitting between them only 3 feet away. Both speakers are facing straight out insted of towards me. When I am mixing I will get up and go to the back of the room or just walk around the house to see what the song sounds like from all angles and distances.
2012/12/29 10:08:00
Guitarhacker
Sorry, I've been busy... I have not had a chance to DL the files, but I will do that today.  

edit: transferred and planning to work it today   


2012/12/29 14:37:08
Guitarhacker
OK... so here's the link to the mix

https://www.box.com/s/jzmsjresxbiomewapriv

Now.... here's what I did.

After importing all the tracks and normalizing the waves.  I added a stereo bus and inserted  Acme Bar Gig's Shred (free guitar sim) and routed the 4 guitar tracks 
to the bus.

On bass I used Ozone 4 with only a parametric & multiband exciter....

On drums I used Ozone 4 with Loudness, multiband exciter, and multiband compressor as well as the cake comp/gate on a drum setting. 

On the lead I used amplitube 

The master bus has studio verb 2 with Ozone using a general "country song" custom preset I use for just about everything I do. 

Bass & drums are a few db below 0db....   The bass could probably have been dropped a few more db and still sounded OK.... but this is a quick mix so I'm
not sweating it too much.

The 4 guitars are down to -6db (except G2... I forgot to pull it down in the mix) but G2 doesn't sound that far off.... just keep that in mind.  All 4 are sent to the 
guitar bus with Shred in it. I did that since the guitar tracks do not play at the same time. 

Lead is down about -7db

Guitar bus is -7db and the master is -5db and the output to the interface is -1.3db... and it's a loud mix.

Nothing is panned.... it's all dials straight up the center. Looks like the tracks were recorded as panned... so I left that alone. 

I really like that sound of the bass..... very cool... almost like a Rickenbacher. 

Anyway... that is the mix. It took me about 30 minutes total to load it up and export this mix. 
2012/12/29 15:35:01
Jeff Evans
Good one Herb and  I hope Fendicator is hearing it too. Herb's mix is much better then the original mix in that I can hear the drums and bass well and the guitars. Good job on the bass too Herb. You have brought that out well. I agree the bass sound is pretty OK and it is not that hard to get the bass speaking a lot more clearly.

I will get my mix finished today I am hoping. I am going to get a similar vibe on the drums and bass except I am going to make the rhythm guitars a little less distorted and more crunchy and the lead I am going to go more all out with the distortion I think. So it will be different in that respect. That is a good thing because you can compare the two and see what works for you more.

At the moment I have been spending the most time on the rhythm guitars, they to me seem to be the most tricky.
2012/12/29 15:40:48
Guitarhacker
Thanks Jeff.... 

I just threw this together quick and dirty to show Fendicator what was hiding in the tracks he sent. 

I'm looking forward to your take on this project.


2012/12/29 16:25:49
Danny Danzi
Hey Jeff, was the "Danny please help" message before I sent you "those goodies"? I can't remember. LOL! Is everything ok? Need me for anything man? If so, just gimme a yell. I'll check back in a few hours...need a lil power nap. :)

-Danny
2012/12/29 20:52:07
Jeff Evans
OK here is my mix for your tune Fendicator:

https://soundcloud.com/jeff-evans

It is called T25 Jeff's Mix. I have made it downloadable too so you can download it. It is a 16 Bit 44.1Khz file as well. 

Just comparing to Herb's mix I can hear a few things. Mine is a little less bassy and has more mid range presence. Drums might be a bit louder in mine too. My Rhythm guitars are less distorted and I am pushing the lead pretty hard too. I have added some echo and reverb to the lead guitar as well.

I have tried to keep the drums and bass, rhythm guitars and the lead more separate rather than mashing them all into one. I can go into more detail as to what plugs I have used etc if you are interested. 

Now that I have done it and listened to it a few times the only thing I feel about it now is that I think the rhythm guitars could be a little more crunchy and distorted. It is funny because without the lead present they sound pretty crunchy but with the presence of the lead some of that rhythm crunch might be a bit masked. Danny might have something to say about that too.  But if I were mixing this for real that is what I do anyway. I do a mix, live with it for a while and go back and make some changes. I won't do this in this case as I have already spent enough time on it. But I think you will get the idea in terms of the balance of things anyway. The cymbals are pretty loud too and I would tame those down a little if it were me. You can still hear the snare reverb a bit too but as I got all the drums mixed that is all hard to change of course.

You might want to check out my Ha Di Ka remix track while you are at it too. I have entered that into a remix comp but I am pretty down low on the list right now. Took me a week! 

2012/12/29 21:42:37
Danny Danzi

Now that I have done it and listened to it a few times the only thing I feel about it now is that I think the rhythm guitars could be a little more crunchy and distorted. It is funny because without the lead present they sound pretty crunchy but with the presence of the lead some of that rhythm crunch might be a bit masked. Danny might have something to say about that too. But if I were mixing this for real that is what I do anyway. I do a mix, live with it for a while and go back and make some changes. I won't do this in this case as I have already spent enough time on it. But I think you will get the idea in terms of the balance of things anyway. The cymbals are pretty loud too and I would tame those down a little if it were me. You can still hear the snare reverb a bit too but as I got all the drums mixed that is all hard to change of course.

 
Yep, you definitely need work on the rhythms Jeff. If you listen to Fender's original, the guitar he has going on is more driven where yours is more clean and sort of weak compared to what he had going on. This sort of rock/metal piece needs a bit more sizzle in the tone. This is where you sort of have to turn off your classic rock roots or even analog preferences. This type of music suffers if it's mixed too warm as the thing that gives it impact is crunch and the right amount of top end sizzle.
 
You should be able to get insane gain with the version of HC I gave you. Listen to that file I sent you using it....I have even more gain than Fender's original yet it's all clean and clear. That's the sort of sound I would go for on this. 
  
If you can't get enough gain, increase the master input gain. That function allows for more signal to be present as well as bring in feedback if needed. Make sure to use the gate we supply as I hear some hiss in your sounds.
 
-Danny
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