2013/12/16 13:01:10
rumleymusic
Sharing a little Handel's Messiah from an annual concert I record for a period Baroque ensemble.
 
Josephson C617set Mains with spherical baffles
Sennheiser MKH8040 choral spots
RME UFX preamps+conversion
Into Samplitue (sorry Sonar)
 
Have a happy holiday!
 
https://soundcloud.com/rm...-for-unto-us-a/s-nGj6R
 
 

2013/12/16 13:42:46
dmbaer
Nice!  Wonderful instrumentalists and fabulous chorus.  Can you tell us who the performers are?
2013/12/16 13:55:12
dmbaer
Nice!  Wonderful instrumentalists and fabulous chorus.  Can you tell us who the performers are?
2013/12/16 14:42:18
rumleymusic
Bach Collegium San Diego.  A wonderful group.  
2013/12/16 15:33:38
bitflipper
Oh my, that's really good. So spacious!
 
Got any snapshots of the session? Was there an audience? Was it recorded in a concert hall or a church? How far away and how high up were the main mics? How were the spot mics set up?
 
I ask these questions because I've never had an opportunity to record this type of performance but I'd really, really like to.
2013/12/16 16:08:04
rumleymusic
Thanks bit,
 
I did video also so I can probably post a still shot later today if you like.  
 
It was live in a large modern catholic church with a full house.  
 
All the mics were about 9-10 feet high on tall stands.  The front AB pair 55cm wide (angled every so slightly out for width) and about 5 feet behind the conductor.  The spots I couldn't get in a good position so I ended up putting the stands right in front and to either side of the chorus angled down and in.  Not really recommended but it was where they would fit. 
 
Not really a big group.  Less than 15 instrumentalists and about 15 singers.  But they are all pros, which makes getting a decent sound very easy.  
2013/12/16 20:02:30
bitflipper
Thanks for the details. Do you take the ceiling height into account when deciding how high to place the microphones, or is it just a matter of how high the booms will reach?
 
And why are string instruments usually recorded from up high, anyway? Seems like the best position would be down at ear level, where people are accustomed to hearing it. Of course, I've never listened to an orchestra from 10' in the air, so maybe it sounds much better up there!
 
 
2013/12/16 20:21:11
Guitarhacker
nice.
2013/12/16 22:24:32
rumleymusic
Thanks for the details. Do you take the ceiling height into account when deciding how high to place the microphones, or is it just a matter of how high the booms will reach?

And why are string instruments usually recorded from up high, anyway? Seems like the best position would be down at ear level, where people are accustomed to hearing it. Of course, I've never listened to an orchestra from 10' in the air, so maybe it sounds much better up there!
 
If i could rent a lifeguard chair and sit right behind the conductor, I certainly would.  I bet it sounds incredible.  
 
There are a couple reasons to mic high.  Most practically, it allows for a better front to back ratio.  If you mic low in the front, the physical projection of sound from the other musicians will be blocked.  It may sound nicely blended in the audience (unless you are sitting in the front row seats which sounds awful), but from a microphone's less forgiving perspective, the front row will be very present and the back very distant.
 
The second reason is physics.  High frequencies, due to refraction, will move up and out away from the musician's warm bodies to cooler air slightly higher up.  Usually 9 feet up right behind the conductor is the orchestra's "sweet spot" for stereo miking.    Of course that varies depending on the room and the setup.  Too low sounds dull and muddy, too high sounds harsh and washy.  
 
Since orchestras usually perform in rooms with high ceilings and hopefully very good acoustics,  a high microphone setup usually works.  For a smaller rooms or 8ft high ceiling studios, you for sure want to avoid getting too close to any flat surface.  
 
2013/12/16 22:34:20
rumleymusic
Here is a little action shot
 

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