2017/11/19 19:34:15
Linear Phase
Moshkito
 
I think I'll stick with my VW ... if only the Bus would make a trip back ... 




 
A:  I hope you are having better luck with your VW than I have had with mine.   Wish I had the $10,000 to trade my car in and get a Nissan Altima.   I'm so underwater with my car loan it can only be described as, "a slightly humorous situation."
 
B:  The bus is on the way back in town.  Google it.  2020 I think?  Its supposed to be 100% electric
2017/11/20 12:09:18
Kalle Rantaaho
Everybody was laughing at japanese cars in the early sixties. Not anymore. 
Sooner or later chinese cars will take their place like the japanese and korean ones have done.
They, if anyone, have the resources for making good products what comes to price/quality-ratio 
As you know, manymany of worlds leading brands of all branches are made there. Often the rule is: the most expensive products of the line are put together in the west using parts made in China, so that they can call it Made in USA, or Made in the EU. Practically any product that consists of more than half a dozen parts is partly chinese, vietnamese or indonesian.
2017/11/20 12:22:47
soens
Not to spoil your fun but... Korean cars still have a ways to go before rising to Japanese level. Kia's need their engine timing belt/chain replaced around 60K miles which is a major expense most US and Japanese cars won't see before 150K-200K miles, if even then.
 
Most items direct from China don't last long enough to be of any real value here, which explains their low cost. I just bought a low voltage AC/DC converter on Amazon that only lasted a few hours and died.
2017/11/20 12:41:36
kennywtelejazz
I do not want a Chinese Car  ...so forgetaboutit ...
 
I would say yes to a Chinese Acrobat ......

 
Kenny
2017/11/20 13:17:18
Ham N Egz
Linear Phase
Moshkito
 
I think I'll stick with my VW ... if only the Bus would make a trip back ... 




 
A:  I hope you are having better luck with your VW than I have had with mine.   Wish I had the $10,000 to trade my car in and get a Nissan Altima.   I'm so underwater with my car loan it can only be described as, "a slightly humorous situation."
 
B:  The bus is on the way back in town.  Google it.  2020 I think?  Its supposed to be 100% electric


as a former GTI VW owner I agree, was good until the second of three water pumps went bad, $1000 to fix, only a matter of time before turbo issues arose, so i traded it in.
 
It was a hell of a pocket rocket ride while I had it though..
2017/11/20 14:51:29
Moshkito
Ham N Egz
Linear Phase
Moshkito
 
I think I'll stick with my VW ... if only the Bus would make a trip back ... 


A:  I hope you are having better luck with your VW than I have had with mine.   Wish I had the $10,000 to trade my car in and get a Nissan Altima.   I'm so underwater with my car loan it can only be described as, "a slightly humorous situation."
 
B:  The bus is on the way back in town.  Google it.  2020 I think?  Its supposed to be 100% electric


as a former GTI VW owner I agree, was good until the second of three water pumps went bad, $1000 to fix, only a matter of time before turbo issues arose, so i traded it in.
 
It was a hell of a pocket rocket ride while I had it though..




Been just fine with my Jetta ... but I stayed away from the cheapie version and went for the 2.5 ... and no issues whatsoever. Mom, had a diesel Jetta and just traded it in ... no issue there, but I think the boost or turbo was probably already gone ... that thing was 2002 or 2003, and we drove it a bit, let me tell you. 
 
My bus lasted from 1986 to 2001, and the 2006 Jetta since 2010 now. I guess you could say that I have had good luck with my VW's. 
 
In general, anytime I have seen folks pick up a cheap VW, like the bug, or any of the 4 putters on VW's, they have not lasted for some reason and I think they were not German, but Mexican versions that were not meant to last ... I have no other idea as to why they could not last a bit more, but the bug thing for the past 5 or 6 years is insane, and VW should give folks that bought a new one a big rebate for buying a piece of crap!
2017/11/20 15:09:15
Linear Phase
Moshkito
In general, anytime I have seen folks pick up a cheap VW, like the bug, or any of the 4 putters on VW's, they have not lasted for some reason and I think they were not German, but Mexican versions that were not meant to last ... I have no other idea as to why they could not last a bit more, but the bug thing for the past 5 or 6 years is insane, and VW should give folks that bought a new one a big rebate for buying a piece of crap!




The only flaw in this logic is that I'm driving a 2015 Jetta Sport, purchased brand spanking new, with navigation, and Sirius radio, and 19 inch alloy wheels, the upgraded engine whatever etc, etc, etc...
2017/11/20 15:09:21
Linear Phase
Moshkito
In general, anytime I have seen folks pick up a cheap VW, like the bug, or any of the 4 putters on VW's, they have not lasted for some reason and I think they were not German, but Mexican versions that were not meant to last ... I have no other idea as to why they could not last a bit more, but the bug thing for the past 5 or 6 years is insane, and VW should give folks that bought a new one a big rebate for buying a piece of crap!




The only flaw in this logic is that I'm driving a 2015 Jetta Sport, purchased brand spanking new, with navigation, and Sirius radio, and 19 inch alloy wheels, the upgraded engine whatever etc, etc, etc...
2017/11/20 18:38:10
craigb
LP likes to post in stereo, ya? 
2017/11/21 16:38:53
Kalle Rantaaho
soens
Not to spoil your fun but... Korean cars still have a ways to go before rising to Japanese level. Kia's need their engine timing belt/chain replaced around 60K miles which is a major expense most US and Japanese cars won't see before 150K-200K miles, if even then.
 
Most items direct from China don't last long enough to be of any real value here, which explains their low cost. I just bought a low voltage AC/DC converter on Amazon that only lasted a few hours and died.




No fun there to spoil, because I'm not saying Korean cars are at the same level as Japanese, but they have taken a good portion of the market cake in the west with their tempting price/quality ratio and 5-10 years warranties. The Japanese ones are often pricier than the German ones in Europe, so they hardly have any advantage in the price/quality-ratio. In the US I think Kia/Huyndai have about the same market share as Nissan or Honda, and bigger than WV-group (in 2011 at least). (And, according to stats Japanese cars made in the west are weaker than the ones made in Japan).
 
Buying gadgets directly from China doesn't tell the whole story, if your buying "blind" from an unknown manufacturer. You can buy any inexpensive accessory gadget via internet in the EU or North America, and get rubbish, and you don't always know, where the product is made. The "Made in ..." tag seldom tells the whole truth. Many (most?) quality brand phones, laptops, tablets and you name it, are made in China, Indonesia or Vietnam. And Korean and Japanese producers are using parts made in the those countries. Korea and Japan will 100% get hard rivals from those.
 
Maybe the problem is, as Ham N Eggs suggests, that you get what you pay for, but you need to separately express your willingness to pay for usable products only:o). If you go for the cheapest, you get the respective quality, just as it is  in the west, too. But Chinese cheap is cheaper than the western cheap, both are rubbish, but Chinese is rubbisher :o/ because the western one is actually the next price-level version of the Chinese...:o/
 
There is nothing that prevents the Chinese from doing excellent cars, they do have the know-how for sure. It would not be good business, though,  because nobody would believe they're that good and be willing to pay, they don't have the status. As in any business, you need to start by digging a market slot where you're strong/believable. And for Chinese cars, it's the cheap end, obviously. Mainly, because their first target is the home/near market, and big investments in western  succes are still relatively far ahead, I think.
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