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2013/10/30 17:21:50
ØSkald
Is there a smart tool to double up the speed of the song without speeding up the music? Mu problem is that the song is in tempo-64 and notation is in 64/64 it would be nice to get it at least in 16/16. And triple tempo
The reason is that this is a classical hymn. And the music is much faster than the hymn.
2013/10/30 19:28:04
Danny Danzi
Jarsve
Is there a smart tool to double up the speed of the song without speeding up the music? Mu problem is that the song is in tempo-64 and notation is in 64/64 it would be nice to get it at least in 16/16. And triple tempo
The reason is that this is a classical hymn. And the music is much faster than the hymn.




Sorry for my ignorance but I'm not quite following the whole 16/16 thing. If you have a song that is at 64 bpm, if you want that triple that would be 192. Going that much faster will definitely bring on artifacts if you have audio in the project. For midi, it won't affect anything. But I can't think of anything that would allow you to go that much faster without bringing on some warbling and other nasty artifacts. I have some cool tools here for speeding things up with nearly 0 artifacts, but I've never tried to triple the tempo on anything. I'm not sure there is anything that can help you.....unless of course I'm totally misunderstanding what you're asking here?
 
-Danny
2013/10/31 07:57:11
Guitarhacker
I found that quite puzzling.... especially the first line.... "double up the speed of the song without speeding up the music"....
2013/10/31 08:04:58
Jeff Evans
That one had me for a while too but I think he means this.
 
If its midi data, he wants that to remain intact but the sequencer to be counting off bars and the click etc twice as fast. The same applies for audio I guess too. Nothing changes in the audio but the sequencer underneath is counting off bars and beats twice as fast. (Assuming either the mid or audio is in time with the sequencer that is)
 
eg in the original post the tempo was 64 BPM. But he now wants either midi or audio to remain the same but the sequencer is counting off now at 128 BPM.
 
Musically nothing changes but the way the sequencer is counting doubles or speeds up, in fact he wants the sequencer to be thinking three times as fast.
 
2013/10/31 14:10:02
dubdisciple
I think Jeff nailed it.  It's either that or he could be referring to pitch issues if he is talking about audio. if it is audio, the only way i can think of offhand to do such a drastic change in speed without causing pitch changes is to use something like recycle (for a more automated way) or manually chop audio and change tempo.  This method tends to work a lot better for slowing down than seeding up.
2013/10/31 14:45:03
quantumeffect
That would be 64 beats per measure and the 64th note gets one beat ... or in other words SPAM.
 
 
2013/11/01 19:43:11
ØSkald
Jeff Evans
That one had me for a while too but I think he means this.
 
If its midi data, he wants that to remain intact but the sequencer to be counting off bars and the click etc twice as fast. The same applies for audio I guess too. Nothing changes in the audio but the sequencer underneath is counting off bars and beats twice as fast. (Assuming either the mid or audio is in time with the sequencer that is)
 
eg in the original post the tempo was 64 BPM. But he now wants either midi or audio to remain the same but the sequencer is counting off now at 128 BPM.
 
Musically nothing changes but the way the sequencer is counting doubles or speeds up, in fact he wants the sequencer to be thinking three times as fast.
 


you nailed it. i startet whith a midi file of the humn, that is in 64 bpm. i don't have any audio yet. just midi. to speed ut the underline notation, but not the actual sound and Music. it is some decent fast drums i got there and they all og in 64th. and oh. its metal. its a pain to edit the drums while i cant og into 128th notation. and so on.
i just Wonder if it is a cal file for that or something. if not i wil have to start over and record in a faster bpm.
2013/11/01 20:09:27
tKx5050
I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but under the process menu is the Length command. You might check that out (read it's help file).
 
Good Luck
Steve
2013/11/01 21:02:32
Jeff Evans
In Sonar you can 'Lock Clip' and select DATA as the option. You should be able to then change everything underneath eg tempo and the data should remain intact but tempo should change. This is a handy feature in Sonar and I like it.
 
In Studio One it is a bit different. You first change the tempo of the session to what you want and the midi data changes accordingly, then.. You right click the midi clip and select Musical Functions. You can half or double the tempo or select a free option where you have a slider that allows you to stretch all the midi data out either up to 5 times or speed it up to one fifth. The slider is tricky because it means you can change the tempo of the session and vary the midi data at the same time which is powerful but could also get you into trouble too if you did not know what you were doing.
 
 
2013/11/02 23:59:06
John6528
I'm probably wrong but it sounds like just a notation problem in midi. It sounds like you just want it to be in 16th or 32nd notes instead of 64th notes or something like that? You can always select everything in midi and double or half the length or whatever you want using process/length. Then change the tempo so it plays at the same speed. Same thing as Steve suggested.
 
John
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