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  • Double the speed without speeding up music (p.2)
2013/11/03 01:03:06
Jeff Evans
No you are both incorrect. Changing the length of note does not change the speed at which it is played. It only changes how long a note is held down or sustained. You would also have to change all the note start times too. What I am suggesting I think is what he needs to do. He wants the music to not change at all. Lengths included. Just how the sequencer is thinking underneath. Sonar can do it with its Lock clip (DATA) mode. Then change the session tempo to suit.
 
He would save that and then I imagine that would end up being displayed quite differently on the notation page as a result compared to the original file and tempo. Let's see how he goes with it anyway.
2013/11/03 09:12:49
tKx5050
I don't know Jeff. I probably just don't really grasp what he's trying to do. Locked clip or not, if you double the bpm it's going to play twice as fast isn't it? I would think that if you doubled the bpm and wanted it to sound the same you would need to double the note values (which would also double the number of bars but that's what I would expect). But like I said I'm probably just not understanding the concept.
 
Steve
2013/11/03 14:28:37
g_randybrown
In Sonar you can 'Lock Clip' and select DATA as the option. You should be able to then change everything underneath eg tempo and the data should remain intact but tempo should change. This is a handy feature in Sonar and I like it.
 
More than a couple of times I've hastily started recording an idea (trying not to lose the idea) and somehow counted it (say a 4/4 metronome) as playing 1 and 2 and 3 and etc as opposed to 1,2,3,4 and had to start the whole thing over so that the instruments later added work out in the PRV and/or staff....so I really am hoping what Jeff is talking about would fix my goofs that will inevitably happen again. 
2013/11/03 15:25:23
Jeff Evans
Yes it should work OK. A typical situation might be that you started an idea with the metronome on say 60 BPM and you play in midi data accordingly. But later you realise that the music is in fact really at 120 BPM instead or you would rather be thinking of it there instead.
 
So by locking the clip and selecting DATA as the option the midi data simply is not allowed to change. But now you can go in and tell the session to be 120 BPM instead. Nothing changes in the music at all. All midi start times remain as they are and the note lengths remain the same too. (Actually one could consider that the start times in relation to the click have been changed but the music remains unaltered)
 
Now your session is clicking away at 120 BPM and the music is still the same. So it is where you want it to be which is pretty handy I believe. As I mentioned Studio One changes the midi data. In this case if you changed the BPM to 120 BPM the music would all be twice as fast as you played it in. Except they give you the option to halve the music tempo again which puts it all back to where it was except you now have a session running twice as fast and the music is back to where it was. A different way of going about it but the same result. Studio One also has a slider that allows either a continuous stretch of the midi data or speeding it up also on a continuous basis. Where that is cool is if you want to change to a tempo that might be 1 1/2 times or 2 1/2 times the original. But you can do that in Sonar too by just locking the clip data and tweaking the underlying tempo to anything you may want.
 
Where the continuous slider comes into its own is if you want the tempo of the session to actually remain where it was but you want the midi data to spread out by say 150%. This means what you played in slows down and spreads out by any amount. To be honest I have not used it yet but you never know. I think in Sonar you can do the same thing by altering note start times as well as lengths.
 
 
2013/11/03 16:47:11
g_randybrown
Thanks Jeff, I've bookmarked this for the next time I do it.
2013/11/03 18:27:21
ØSkald
Really good Jeff. Gona try that Out tomorrow.
2013/11/03 19:00:00
g_randybrown
Please post your results...thanks guys!
2013/11/04 15:03:47
ØSkald
I can't make it work. anything i do wrong?
2013/11/04 15:34:36
Jeff Evans
What happens when you lock the clip and change the tempo. Does the midi data remain the same? Does the tempo change? What happens when you do this exactly.
 
Clip lock may apply to audio not midi not sure. You may have to process the midi note start times using the processing options in Sonar.
2013/11/04 17:42:07
ØSkald
the tempo change like normal.
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