2017/11/01 23:19:54
Beepster
Meh. I'm absolutely fine blaming the top brass (if they're screwing up).
 
The grunts? Ya, no. I don't blame them.
2017/11/01 23:23:42
sharke
Beepster
So why not say ISIS wannabe?
 
Or Al Quaeda derpclowns?
 
Yanno... like how we call the Klan what they are when they do something crappy or what we call neo Nazis when they do something crappy or eco terrorists when they do something crappy or when the IRA would do something crappy, or when bikers do something crappy, etc.
 
My whole bleeding point is just saying/implying "Muslims" or "Islam" is inaccurate. These are specific radical groups. Yes they are a major problem and need to be thwarted at every turn as much as possible.
 
Muslims in general are just people and I find it gross that they have to take on all the hate and blame for these jerks running around hurting people.
 




I think what a lot of people fail to acknowledge is that Islam (or any other religion) is not a race or an ethnicity. It's a collection of ideas. As adults, we are quite free to embrace or reject any set of ideas we like. We're also free to judge people for the ideas they hold, since the ideas you choose to embrace are a reflection of your character. I firmly believe that religion, as an idea, is dangerous and will always lead to violence, oppression, cruelty and subjugation. The reason being that when it comes to religion, there is no appeal to reason. You cannot challenge a religious statement with logic - no matter how illogical or easily debunkable it is, the religious person can always appeal to some intangible "other world" and dismiss objective arguments without having to offer a single fact or rationalization. "It says so in this here book that was written by God" is apparently enough. And thus there is no limit on this earth to what can be justified by mysticism. 
 
You are adult enough to understand that when someone says "x% of Muslims...." they mean exactly that, x% of a group. They are not saying "the whole group." Therefore, it is not a generalization of a group. It is a distinct proportion. Now then. Whether or not it's worth getting worried about the attitudes and beliefs of a distinct proportion of a group, depends on how big that proportion is (and what it translates to in absolute numbers). 
 
0.01% of 100,000 people is not only an overwhelming minority, it's also a very small number of people in total. 20% of a billion people (for example), is an extremely significant proportion, and a huge number of people in total. Should we be worried that such a large group of people thinks that suicide bombings against civilians are honorable if they're done in the name of their religion? Of course! After the 7/7 London Underground bombings, surveys showed that as many as 25% of British Muslims supported the bombers. The figure was even higher among the under-30's. You can dance around this all you like with warm and fuzzy platitudes about togetherness, but the fact remains that this is and will continue to be a huge problem as extremism in these communities flourishes - unreported, hidden and supported by a significant proportion of the community.
 
Also in that Pew study - 50% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas, and 30% have a positive view of Hezbollah, both groups with direct and indirect links to terrorism. By saying this, am I claiming that all Egyptians support terrorism? Of course not - that would be factually incorrect. But would these figures make me think twice about taking a trip to Egypt (or investing in the country if I were some big shot businessman)? Of course they would. 
2017/11/01 23:46:13
Beepster
Okay... now look up the stats on how likely it is you are going to be the victim of an Islamic terror attack.
 
Versus say... getting mowed down by a drunk driver... or stabbed by a drug addict... or beat to a pulp by some crazy person off their meds.
 
Yes. Radicalism in all it's forms is utterly ridiculous and unacceptable IMO, especially when it manifests itself in a physically violent manner.
 
However getting overly wigged out about it is illogical because there are a million and +1 things out there trying to (and much more likely to succeed) kill you at any given moment.
 
Again I will reiterate that I completely and entirely despise violence of any kind and think this guy is a subhuman pile of detritus.
 
 
2017/11/01 23:52:35
Beepster
Oh... I fergot what I came in here again for.
 
Relevant
2017/11/01 23:59:39
eph221
craigb
sharke
Personally I'm hugely against religion of any kind - I think it's the biggest source of evil and cruelty and ignorance and death in this world. 


I would add politics to this statement (which is why both are against the TOS - heh).
 
I would also point out that I keep spirituality and religion (a man-made entity for the control and power over the masses) separate.  Same with politics and community leadership/support.  One's hidden goal is power and control over the masses, the other supports them.
 
(IBTL?)




 
Michael Foucault would agree.  It is about power.  We're seeing the dis-empowerment of the em-powered.  (Those who go to sleep at night worrying about what der furhrer is doing. Godwin's law!) It's all about relationships of power.  E pluribus unum.    the DIS-empowerment of the formally EM-powered (viz identity poly ticks, social justice you name it) suddenly impotent.  And in that void we're like lost sheep.  It's really a new beginning though, I hope.
 
IBTL!!!!
2017/11/02 00:07:11
Beepster
This fred is now POGUES!
2017/11/02 00:51:35
John
I blame everybody! 
 
What if they gave a war and nobody came? 
2017/11/02 00:54:20
Beepster
Oh... knowing humans if anybody declared a war anywhere somebody is gonna come.
 
we're pretty icky like that...
2017/11/02 00:56:40
Linear Phase
Religion is not inherently violent.  Man is inherently violent.  Religion did not invent man, and religion did not start violence.  Man was here and violent long before the three Judeo Christian schools of thought walked along the Earth.
 
Studies have shown that murder/or forms of violence against ones own kind exists in other species of the Animal Kingdom - Wolves for eg, have been known to kill each other.  However, no animal has shown such a propensity for bloodlust as human beings.  We are the most predatory, disturbed, violent creatures on Earth.   While most of us, 90 something % of us have evolved through our basic human intelligence to no longer kill, wound, or harm, there is a percentage out there who are very dangerous.
 
 
btw Beepster, Canada is a participant in this, "war on terror."  Which frankly history will look back and call, "WW III."  Canada has definitely been a victim of terrorist attacks.  Canada definitely has their own military assets involved in the fight.
 
 
Btw it is terribly sad that the same people who complained about how Political the Las Vegas thread became have essentially started the same thing here.   No doubt those of us who believe in our Rights to Speech and Arms will be blamed when this thread is inevitably locked
2017/11/02 01:05:48
Beepster
Wow. Nice one, LP.
 
I am well aware of Canadian military involvement in said wars (as well as our abstentions).
 
I do indeed pay attention.
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