2012/08/17 13:12:10
Jonbouy

I gather you agree with this (as do I). Then, what is your definition of core parking???


"Core parking is a new feature that Microsoft introduced in Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2. Depending on the resource use of the operating system it may park one or multiple cores of a multi-core cpu to reduce the computer’s power consumption and thermal emissions. Once operations require more processing power, the parked cores are activated again to assist in the tasks."

Surely you should already know this if you are tweaking it...

Do you also need info on Hyperthreading, EIST and C states while I'm about?
2012/08/18 12:34:39
Alegria
hehehe..., you're so cute. 
2012/08/18 15:17:36
Freddie H
Jonbouy



I gather you agree with this (as do I). Then, what is your definition of core parking???


"Core parking is a new feature that Microsoft introduced in Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2. Depending on the resource use of the operating system it may park one or multiple cores of a multi-core cpu to reduce the computer’s power consumption and thermal emissions. Once operations require more processing power, the parked cores are activated again to assist in the tasks."

Surely you should already know this if you are tweaking it...

Do you also need info on Hyperthreading, EIST and C states while I'm about?
You have answer it yourself there.

You don’t need to be rocket scientist to understand if you park something, shutting anything off, it will decrease the performance. Drive V8 engine on only 4 cylinders doesn’t exactly increase its performance. Even a child understands that.
 
When having C state, core parking or whatever activated makes very bad impact on any computers performance. As for an example what happens in DAW is that the core that is “park mode”, “C1 sleep” can’t wake up in time when you hit “play” when suddenly the computer needs all its CPU resources. C1 lower the CPU clock meaning slower performance.
One of the side effects that happen if you do have the core park, C1 sleep mode is that you get drop outs and clicks in the audio. Sometimes this can even cause blue screen death in rare cases.
 
 
Microsoft green eco movement politics infinitum madness!
I like to stop global warming, ecologic when it comes to food, light, lower gas on cars or whatever but not when it’s all about my work computer and performance in the studio. It is better they; Microsoft, Intel, Samsung and rest of companies focus on something’s else;----> lower overall power consumption instead of lower the overall performance of our system and CPU:s.

 
2012/08/18 21:03:36
Jonbouy
Freddie H


You have answer it yourself there.

You don’t need to be rocket scientist to understand if you park something, shutting anything off, it will decrease the performance. Drive V8 engine on only 4 cylinders doesn’t exactly increase its performance. Even a child understands that.


Freddie you are not even a child then, if an engine manufacturer could make a V8 use 4 cylinders when it's idling they would, it doesn't affect performance when the gas pedal is on the floor and all cylinders are delivering full power when needed.


 
When having C state, core parking or whatever activated makes very bad impact on any computers performance. As for an example what happens in DAW is that the core that is “park mode”, “C1 sleep” can’t wake up in time when you hit “play” when suddenly the computer needs all its CPU resources. C1 lower the CPU clock meaning slower performance.
One of the side effects that happen if you do have the core park, C1 sleep mode is that you get drop outs and clicks in the audio. Sometimes this can even cause blue screen death in rare cases.


If this is true why am I not getting blue screens pops and clicks when I press play?  I can run a 48 samples buffer under a reasonable load without glitching, I choose to run 64 samples and can live with the 7 ms RTL without having to change settings when I change from tracking to mixing.  What do I need to fix again? 
 


Microsoft green eco movement politics infinitum madness!
I like to stop global warming, ecologic when it comes to food, light, lower gas on cars or whatever but not when it’s all about my work computer and performance in the studio. It is better they; Microsoft, Intel, Samsung and rest of companies focus on something’s else;----> lower overall power consumption instead of lower the overall performance of our system and CPU:s.



Choosing the Windows 'High Performance' power plan effectively overides EIST anyway base a plan on that turning off all the going to sleep or hibernate nonsense and you've pretty much done all that's required.

Benchmark your CPU with Core Parking enabled/disabled, C1E (bios) on/off, and then SpeedStep on/off (you'll find that is overridden by the power plan anyway). 

Show us the different results in actual figures because here there isn't anything to support turning them off.  The only thing that would alarm me is from going from idle to full power if that was manifesting in glitches.  It doesn't.

Post #8 in this thread explains it well and highlights the more obvious areas of concern.  Some people are cranky enough to hack the registry to get the cores from parking but then install and run the ASUS AISuite, which is a far more evil performance killer than processor core wake times.  I hope you're not one of those Freddie!

One final note, just for kicks try benchmarking some stuff with hyperthreading turned off so you are restricted to just the 4 physical cores.  The results there might surprise you especiallly on stuff  that uses a lot of floating point calculations.

Me, I did all that at build time, now I'd just rather get on and enjoy using my machine.
 



2012/08/18 21:34:50
Goddard
Eek! This thread is getting too technical for me.

Hmm, "Core Eject", wonder what that button does...
2012/08/18 21:36:44
Jonbouy
Goddard


Eek! This thread is getting too technical for me! 




I doubt it.

More like you can't afford to expend the energy on a 10,000 word dissertation just now...
2012/08/18 21:42:05
Goddard
Oh wait, I completely overlooked Windows "Core Audio" APIs...
2012/08/19 06:01:16
Freddie H
Jonbouy


Freddie H


You have answer it yourself there.

You don’t need to be rocket scientist to understand if you park something, shutting anything off, it will decrease the performance. Drive V8 engine on only 4 cylinders doesn’t exactly increase its performance. Even a child understands that.


Freddie you are not even a child then, if an engine manufacturer could make a V8 use 4 cylinders when it's idling they would, it doesn't affect performance when the gas pedal is on the floor and all cylinders are delivering full power when needed.



When having C state, core parking or whatever activated makes very bad impact on any computers performance. As for an example what happens in DAW is that the core that is “park mode”, “C1 sleep” can’t wake up in time when you hit “play” when suddenly the computer needs all its CPU resources. C1 lower the CPU clock meaning slower performance.
One of the side effects that happen if you do have the core park, C1 sleep mode is that you get drop outs and clicks in the audio. Sometimes this can even cause blue screen death in rare cases.


If this is true why am I not getting blue screens pops and clicks when I press play?  I can run a 48 samples buffer under a reasonable load without glitching, I choose to run 64 samples and can live with the 7 ms RTL without having to change settings when I change from tracking to mixing.  What do I need to fix again? 



Microsoft green eco movement politics infinitum madness!
I like to stop global warming, ecologic when it comes to food, light, lower gas on cars or whatever but not when it’s all about my work computer and performance in the studio. It is better they; Microsoft, Intel, Samsung and rest of companies focus on something’s else;----> lower overall power consumption instead of lower the overall performance of our system and CPU:s.



Choosing the Windows 'High Performance' power plan effectively overides EIST anyway base a plan on that turning off all the going to sleep or hibernate nonsense and you've pretty much done all that's required.

Benchmark your CPU with Core Parking enabled/disabled, C1E (bios) on/off, and then SpeedStep on/off (you'll find that is overridden by the power plan anyway). 

Show us the different results in actual figures because here there isn't anything to support turning them off.  The only thing that would alarm me is from going from idle to full power if that was manifesting in glitches.  It doesn't.

Post #8 in this thread explains it well and highlights the more obvious areas of concern.  Some people are cranky enough to hack the registry to get the cores from parking but then install and run the ASUS AISuite, which is a far more evil performance killer than processor core wake times.  I hope you're not one of those Freddie!

One final note, just for kicks try benchmarking some stuff with hyperthreading turned off so you are restricted to just the 4 physical cores.  The results there might surprise you especiallly on stuff  that uses a lot of floating point calculations.

Me, I did all that at build time, now I'd just rather get on and enjoy using my machine.

Whatever...You should try the opposite and activate the performance of your system.
What's next on your list that you try to convince us? A 32bit application can use more RAM then x64?

2012/08/19 06:34:28
Jonbouy
You are not listening Freddie, like I said I've already tested thoroughly.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything just telling you straight my own findings on the subject, you are the one that goes around trying to convince people that BS is fact and what you say is what they shoud do remember?  Not me.

btw I'd recommend still using 32 bit versions rather than use bridging solutions unless your project does require the extra RAM.  I still see people putting up with countless issues caused by bridging when the project size doesn't even warrant opening a 64 bit project.  Go figure.

I do enjoy having the benefits of 64 bit though...
2012/08/19 11:40:14
Alegria
Out of curiosity Jon as I don't recall you mentioning it, is your system dedicated for audio only?
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