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2013/04/11 10:28:18
Beagle
mike_mccue


I liked the foot steps and the various random noises... they told me more about the nature of the space than the music did.

Maybe the person who uploaded the video had that sort of thing in mind.

best regards,
mike

ok - I can understand that.  but 8 minutes of it?  30 seconds of random noises would shirely be plenty, IMO.
 
2013/04/11 10:45:52
trimph1
Pauline Olivieros is big on 'Deep Listening'. Ambience is what I think it more or less is called now.

I've been known to sit in one of grain silos here and just meditate on whatever happenstance sound shows up...or, even look at vids on groups like Sunn0)))
2013/04/11 12:33:18
bitflipper
Yeh, that first video seems to have been made when someone set up a camera on a tripod and let it roll. You have to jump about halfway through it to hear some singing.

Here's a video (audio's poor, though) of a concert held there. Because only 6 people at a time are allowed inside the cistern (no air for more) the audience listened up top through a PA.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHFQcQibKj0

Here's a page from Sean Costello's blog, which is how I found out about the cistern:
http://valhalladsp.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/ambient-reverb-no-electronics-required-the-dan-harpole-cistern-at-fort-worden/

(Sean is based in Seattle, if you didn't know.)

One of my first thoughts when hearing the cistern's reverb was "I bet I could get pretty close with VRoom".
2013/04/11 17:21:41
Tony S
Twisted Cistern...! heh...heh!

2013/04/11 20:02:15
Jeff Evans
Nice one Dave. I love it. I am into some big spaces and this is a ripper. Thought the Taj had the record there. Not sure what you can do with such a long reverb but very interesting none the less.

Not sure about the didge player though. I am afraid digde playing is something of a specialty of our native Aborigines.  They seem to get the most amazing sounds out of it.
2013/04/11 20:18:21
Rbh
Anyone know anything about the physical space? I'm curious as to size and shape of the space. Edit - oops got dimensions from your first link Bit. Cool space indeed !
2013/04/12 07:20:03
The Maillard Reaction


I tried to synthesize a 45 second impulse response yesterday.

It didn't work out, and while it wasn't I figured out that a 45 second impulse may be greater than state of the art for real time playback. :-).

I can still dream though. :-)
2013/04/12 10:52:36
bitflipper
I don't know if it'd be practical to do a 45-second IR. It would be difficult, at any rate. But there are algorithmic reverbs that are capable of doing it. 

At a Lexicon demonstration the salesman claimed the PCM96 could do a 2-minute reverb. I remember thinking: why? 

I think ValhallaDSP's Shimmer is probably capable of it, as it uses regeneration to keep the tail going forever. 

2013/04/12 11:40:17
AT
Still, I imagine it would be an interesting impulse, even if shortened.  Dare I say "BIG."

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