Guitarhacker


I don't see that as a "start over again" situation. Just jump to the end and pull the master fader down to the correct level for the loudest part. 

Everything else will be lower and like was said above, the ME has the ability to bring the low stuff up.  What the ME can not fix is if the loud parts clip and you get distortion as a result.  

If I was going to master this myself I would use something like a volume envelope in the master to control the fader automatically.  As long as the resultant exported wave sounds fine.... to me that's what matters. 

Yep I managed to salvage it,I didnt start the track all over again ..wow that would of taken hours lol !!!!  Yeah automating the master fader at the end is defo one solution to that kind of problem anyway,so thanks for the advise.



I think in future Ill just start with the loud parts first and make sure theres plenty of headroom left for everything else...make things much more simpler in the long run lol.


Thanks for you post,


Kev

if you do not start over.......

and make sure that your gain staging is correct all the way down the line..

you will end up with sections that will be distorted, grainy, or blurred.

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BenMMusTech


Ok here is my take on it for what it is worth.  Firstly people need to understand gain structure, what you need to think about is when you have say a 20 track mix is think how loud the mix will be once it hits the main out.  This is called summing.  So lets say you have all your indivual tracks all nicely mixed and they are averging (sonar meters) roughly -18DB, you will notice that the main buss is still going into the red.  This is because when you add all your nicely mixed tracks together, their sum is greater than 0DB peak.  What you need to do is give your self headroom, I do this by lowering the trim by anywhere up to -15DB, depending on how many tracks I have summed together, within a mix.  This will give you the required head room to master, makes sense??

Ben

Hi Ben


You lower the trim on the individual tracks or the master fader ? Is there a differance ?!


Thanks for your post,


Kev

Hi, Kev sorry I haven't got back to you.  You can do both, and even on group buses as well.  What you are trying to do first is get the mix even, so aim for -18db RMS (sonar meters) on your indivual tracks you don't have to be anal, just you the number as a guide.  Don't forget to turn the RMS metering on.  Once you have done this you are ready to mix your song, look at how the main meter is going, how far into the red (peak meter) is the meter going and then bring it down by that amount plus the amount of head room you want. 
 
Remember this is all about balance, and what you are trying to do is balance everything so it fits, if that makes sense.  But don't be too anal!!
 
Ben  

BenMMusTech

kev11111111111111

BenMMusTech


Ok here is my take on it for what it is worth.  Firstly people need to understand gain structure, what you need to think about is when you have say a 20 track mix is think how loud the mix will be once it hits the main out.  This is called summing.  So lets say you have all your indivual tracks all nicely mixed and they are averging (sonar meters) roughly -18DB, you will notice that the main buss is still going into the red.  This is because when you add all your nicely mixed tracks together, their sum is greater than 0DB peak.  What you need to do is give your self headroom, I do this by lowering the trim by anywhere up to -15DB, depending on how many tracks I have summed together, within a mix.  This will give you the required head room to master, makes sense??

Ben

Hi Ben


You lower the trim on the individual tracks or the master fader ? Is there a differance ?!


Thanks for your post,


Kev

Hi, Kev sorry I haven't got back to you.  You can do both, and even on group buses as well.  What you are trying to do first is get the mix even, so aim for -18db RMS (sonar meters) on your indivual tracks you don't have to be anal, just you the number as a guide.  Don't forget to turn the RMS metering on.  Once you have done this you are ready to mix your song, look at how the main meter is going, how far into the red (peak meter) is the meter going and then bring it down by that amount plus the amount of head room you want. 
 
Remember this is all about balance, and what you are trying to do is balance everything so it fits, if that makes sense.  But don't be too anal!!
 
Ben  

lol,brilliant thanks ben :)