2017/10/16 13:09:52
synkrotron

2017/10/16 14:26:18
Mesh
I like his piano playing and yes, that is music. The other "instrument" needed a cowbell to give it credibility.
 
 
2017/10/16 14:38:33
Linear Phase
Music is notes organized in time, and the definition of, "music," is subjective to one's personal taste as well as societies acceptance of particular artist.  

I don't consider, "Imagine Dragons to be music by any stretch  of the imagination - pun intended; however, society, at least in the sense of its own pop art, most certainly considers Imagine Dragons a viable band, and to be music."

Likewise, I don't consider this, "over-intellectual, out of shape guy, with some really nasty looking hair to be making any music, simply because I would argue that he is not organizing notes in time with any skill," but again there are several people who probably consider him a genius.
2017/10/16 15:21:13
Mesh
Linear Phase

Likewise, I don't consider this, "over-intellectual, out of shape guy, with some really nasty looking hair to be making any music,




That's just Weird Al's non-musical brother
 
 

2017/10/16 16:19:44
bayoubill
I swear that's the way I sound playing piano after a 6 pack of amber beer. It's true! I Swear!
2017/10/17 14:33:43
Moshkito
Hi,
 
I like how he can jazz up Beethoven so well. It's really very good.
 
I agree with his words on boring on music and the composer, specially as it shows up these days within a DAW format, and some folks actually thinking that the DAW is the creative tool, not the person, and they can only improve the piece of music, by fixing details on the DAW, not in your own mind and physical playing, by adjusting the movements that you do and use.
 
As for is it music?
 
The definition of the word has gotten so confused with "notes" and "sound", that in the end, the ability to define it all has gotten totally off kilter. Nowadays, it's all about the "sound", and some of it is not really original, or even interesting ... I like to say, that the only proof you need is to pull the PLUG and listen to it. It won't stand up to any of us at all.
 
To me, that is the major difference. You can unplug many of the best things you have ever heard and they still stand up ... Stairway to Heaven, Comfortably Numb ... not a problem. But some other stuff, is hard to appreciate when unplugged, and it is not enjoyable at all.
 
Thus, noise and sound effects have more "music" in them that is interesting ... as an exercise, go outside and listen to BIRDS doing their thing ... it's an incredible cacophony, none of it in sync with anything except itself. And it still stands up, and sounds beautiful when you hear it ... or wind sounds against a mountain, if you have never heard that thunder ... and its feedback and echo. And the composer in there is NATURE ... but we do not consider that "music", and in many ways that is the basic foundation of the 20th century exercises in creating and defining new musics everywhere.
2017/10/17 15:36:31
Voda La Void
I guess I don't really care if it's "music" or not.  Kind of a rabbit hole, really. 
 
I like the direct relationship between a musician and an instrument - using the instrument to "speak" and create artistic tonal organization.  Each piece, or track or layer, being another voice from a person speaking through their bones into a raw instrument that would just as soon let you make repugnant, atrocious tones, just as proudly, if you didn't play it "right".  That's what I enjoy. 
 
I don't really have much interest in electronically sourced sound.  It doesn't really move me, at all.  In fact, electronic percussion is the most irritating sound of all.  I skip sections on my favorite records that have it.  As a Radiohead fan, for instance...it's difficult to get through it, to enjoy the instrumentation parts. 
 
Yet, I love using FX on captured audio - heavily, too.  I can't explain it.  Nothing cooler than some crazy guitar effect coloring the mood of a piece.  Saturated effects on vocals are especially awesome.
 
So..I don't know.  On the one hand, a 14 year old who plays with software in their free time and sings pop songs off the radio is never going to earn the same respect from me as a 14 year old who has committed to a cello and practices their butt off just to master Mary Had a Little Lamb.  On the other hand...I know musicians who spend most of their time dragging and dropping, synth editing and etc...and they understand music better than anyone I know.   
2017/10/17 16:57:51
craigb
There's only two types of music:  Music I like and music I don't like.
2017/10/17 17:30:38
synkrotron
craigb
There's only two types of music:  Music I like and music I don't like.




Now, who has said that in the past? Sounds like it should be a famous quote... Just can't put my finger on it
2017/10/17 17:31:41
synkrotron
Some interesting insights here... Keep 'em coming
 
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