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  • Is it time to give up on the Echo Layla 24/96? (p.6)
2016/04/06 21:12:08
drewcake
Ok so I've got my Layla24 running under windows 7 and a cardbus to PCI expresscard adapter and ableton live 9. I'm using my mackie 1402 vlz pro mixer as a pre-amp. Unlike my experience on os x 10.11.1, the layla24 audio drivers (echo layla24 v8.6) that I downloaded and installed were recognized right away as I plugged in and turned on the layla. I went through and setup basic sample rate, buffer settings, etc. I tested a recording with a mic into mackie mixer and then again with a backing CD track played on the RCA input to my mackie mixer- output mackie to layla of course. I listened in real time (or about 14ms after real time I guess) to the monitor through the layla headphone jack. 
 
The specs state both A-D and D-A converters are 128x oversampling designs with 24-bit resolution. Since the headphone jack is the "monitor" for layla output channels 1 + 2, then am I also getting the 24/96 and 128x oversample out of the headphone jack? I think the answer is, maybe. I'm also trying to confirm that I am taking advantage of the the DAC of the layla24 for playback of audio and not just recording. If so, I'm going to route my powered studio monitors directly to the headphone port output OR channel 1+ 2 output of layla24 thus using the DAC of the layla24. Currently, I am using the DAC of my computer via computer headphone jack output to my mackie RCA input and then from mackie to the powered monitors (no Layla). Does anyone know if the computer playback of 24/96 recorded audio track can be routed over PCIe back to the Layla in 24/96 and then through the DAC and to the headphone output? This would be like sending a digital output in the opposite direction from what Layla is used to. I feel like something in here can save me some money from buying a separate DAC for playback if I route the signal correctly.
 
TL;DR: saved my layla24 setup via Cardbus adapter. Can I use layla24 as a DAC for playback?
2016/04/08 10:56:59
drewcake
After playing around some more I can confirm that I can select the layla as an output device for music tracks in VLC, for example, (in addition to ableton) and use my headphones on the layla headphone output. However for recording and playback, I cannot get a good signal on 96kHz... only 48kHz. For channel testing, I use ableton software to simulate the CPU at 80% with a 440 Hz tone. Adjusting the sample rate 128, 256, 512, 1024, etc. only adjusts the cracks and static slightly... nothing even close to that sweet 440 tone I hear over 48kHz/256 sample. I've played with volume and CPU load settings too. I'm only using a single channel with an i3 2350 processor (2.2 GHz). I'm thinking either my 96 channel is blown (not likely because the 32kHz channel has the same crackle static problem) or maybe it has to do with the ASIO? Can someone point me towards a better way to test or figure this out? I'd contact echo but they no longer support.
 
edit: tried JRiver media playback at 24/96kHz and had same issue of static and stutter on playback. No issues at 48kHz. Tried Cubase 5 and same issue of 24/96Khz static on playback. I'm thinking of trying some of the following trouble-shooting... Please comment if you are reading and have tried for yourself. 
-disable onboard audio in bios
-try 32 bit windows (might play nicer with PCI audio)
-uninstall and reinstall audio drivers
-consider a better processor (i have a i3 2350m)
-try new audio cables TRS, etc. 
 
2016/06/27 14:42:00
Danny Danzi
mileskb
 
So am I reading that a Layla 24/96 will NOT work under Windows 10?  I'm going to try it in a couple of days, but I have a bad feeling, and I think I know the answer.
 
So the next question...  what's out there today that can record and playback at least 8 channels, and supports MIDI and S/PDIF ?  




Did you ever try the Layla on Win 10? I still have a 24/96 rack unit that I use from time to time. One of my reasons for not updating to Win 10 is because I really didn't want to get a replacement for it, and my version of Win 7 on all my machines is rock solid. I would *THINK* the win 8.1 drivers would work on Win 10 for this device? I'm dying to try it, but just don't have the guts or the time. If you did try it, please let me know how you made out with it.
 
-Danny
2016/06/27 16:37:58
Jim Roseberry
Resonant Serpent
Lynx makes PCI cards, and they have excellent sound quality and support. Several motherboard manufacturers still make products with PCI slots. I use the Lynx Two-C in my main computer and L-22 in the other here in the studio. Why PCI? Much lower latency and stability than all the usb interfaces I tried. The PCI bus simply moves more data than the usb, and leads to less problems. I picked both of mine up second-hand on Ebay, and couldn't be happier.



The only issue with Lynx PCI (vs. PCIe) is that the Lynx PCI cards don't work with bridged PCI slots.
If you've got a current generation motherboard (Z97, Z170, Z170x), if it has PCI slot/s... they're bridged into the PCIe bus via a bridge chip.  If you've got true PCI slot/s, the Lynx PCI units are great performers.
2016/06/28 10:37:13
drewcake
Danny Danzi
mileskb
 
So am I reading that a Layla 24/96 will NOT work under Windows 10?  I'm going to try it in a couple of days, but I have a bad feeling, and I think I know the answer.
 
So the next question...  what's out there today that can record and playback at least 8 channels, and supports MIDI and S/PDIF ?  




Did you ever try the Layla on Win 10? I still have a 24/96 rack unit that I use from time to time. One of my reasons for not updating to Win 10 is because I really didn't want to get a replacement for it, and my version of Win 7 on all my machines is rock solid. I would *THINK* the win 8.1 drivers would work on Win 10 for this device? I'm dying to try it, but just don't have the guts or the time. If you did try it, please let me know how you made out with it.
 
-Danny




Danny,
If it works well on win 7 then don't upgrade. It is more valuable IMHO to keep your tried and true setup. You have not even mentioned a compelling reasoning for wanting to upgrade to win 10. Think about the value of your workflows and know that layla's driver support was discontinued well before win 10 was released.
2016/06/30 18:52:12
Danny Danzi
drewcake
Danny Danzi
mileskb
 
So am I reading that a Layla 24/96 will NOT work under Windows 10?  I'm going to try it in a couple of days, but I have a bad feeling, and I think I know the answer.
 
So the next question...  what's out there today that can record and playback at least 8 channels, and supports MIDI and S/PDIF ?  




Did you ever try the Layla on Win 10? I still have a 24/96 rack unit that I use from time to time. One of my reasons for not updating to Win 10 is because I really didn't want to get a replacement for it, and my version of Win 7 on all my machines is rock solid. I would *THINK* the win 8.1 drivers would work on Win 10 for this device? I'm dying to try it, but just don't have the guts or the time. If you did try it, please let me know how you made out with it.
 
-Danny




Danny,
If it works well on win 7 then don't upgrade. It is more valuable IMHO to keep your tried and true setup. You have not even mentioned a compelling reasoning for wanting to upgrade to win 10. Think about the value of your workflows and know that layla's driver support was discontinued well before win 10 was released.




Most definitely wise words, Drew. I just have the Win 10 sign popping up here like mad and it makes me think about it from time to time. I saw things about the Layla and have always been curious if anyone actually got them to work. I rarely use the Layla as I have other interfaces. However, it gives me something (probably a degraded signal) that I actually like for guitars and a few other things and I use the SPDIF for DI and re-amping. This works great with my AxeFx as well as for other things.
 
You know how it goes...when something works, you just stick with it. I wasn't really planning to update my main recording rigs because I KNOW there will be issues that slow down or stop my work-flow. I can't afford to be down for an hour let alone a day or longer. When I absolutely have to upgrade my OS due to programs no longer running on 7, I will buy a new pc with whatever new OS is out at the time. Right now, I turn on all my stuff and thank God every day that it all works without a problem.
 
Thanks for grounding me and keeping me from even thinking about going astray. :) I may do it on my internet boxes though as they aren't as important.
 
-Danny
2018/03/04 20:07:01
Hoc
Hey guys I have an echo layla
But I don't know how to make the 8 tracks to work, if anybody know please tell how I'm being burning my brain and still don't how to make it work, it only let me use 4 analog tracks and that's it, thanks
2018/03/04 21:08:39
Zargg
Hoc
Hey guys I have an echo layla
But I don't know how to make the 8 tracks to work, if anybody know please tell how I'm being burning my brain and still don't how to make it work, it only let me use 4 analog tracks and that's it, thanks

Hi. Which driver mode do you use?
Which version of SONAR?
All the best.
2018/03/04 22:55:14
Hoc
The one I have is layla 2000 24/96
Multi track recorder , this one is before the , echo layla 3g is almost the same kind, " as gene 3g" came out in 2004 ,2005 i think not sure
I also use cool edit pro for this thing
2018/03/04 23:01:53
Hoc
This how I do my recording , I connect all the mics to the mixer board, since it this has the phantom power, I don't know what I have to do to make work, doesn't know how to convert digital, analog, on the echo layla
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