every once in a while, i like to re-post this.

good stuff.


http://www.moultonlabs.co..._the_phantom_image/P0/

here's a good thread on it....with some pros chiming in..
http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=10454&highlight=LCR


and another more recent:
http://www.thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=20496

and another good one:

http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=14465

Ah the L-C-R propaganda again!  My feable ears recently pretend:

I deal with a lot of vocals and choirs and find that L-C-R doesn't work for mixing mulitple vocals that well.

My radio vox sits well about 30 LT.

With stacked choir vocs, they oft spread well (for me) when panned sensitively BY EAR ... 

Some vocs and instruments do well to constructively interfere near each other in the panorama ... or off by 10-20 LT or RT.

I will say, I don't have much going on at 65 LT or RT.

L-C-R does well for my beats and hip-hop attempts ... where rhythms must be clear and not merge (constructively nor destructively)

And yes, L-C-R is an awesome creation ... baptizing the ears so to speak.

Recently I've applied some Lexicon plate verb with 50msec pre-delay on Haas'd vocal tracks ... strait down the center.  (Traditionally, we're not supposed to do that).  With L-C-R logic ...

Sometimes, the Phantom Center receives Haas-delayed plate-verb'd vocs quite well with a peculiar majestic command presence.  (If that makes sense)

i am quickly moving to strict LCR

been experimenting with it for about 2 years now.

that's not to say i don't pick random spots the way i like to hear it sitting at the monitors, dead in the middle..

but i always find that when i take that same mix elsewhere, it never translates the same.

i have spent a LOT of time, searching for that special in between positioning for this track or that...

only later to find i had wasted my time.

So, what's the technique to introduce a prescribed amout of delay in a track?

there are lots of techniques.

there is no limit.

one of my favorites, is to place a rhythm guitar part, hard pan left.....
create a sub bus with a very short (slapback) mono delay, in mono.....(could be called a AUX) 

maybe about 2-5 ms....

send the rhythm guitar part to the sub bus via a send, pan it hard left...

and bring it up til i get the positioning i want.

or, if it's a solo, put the solo center, create another sub bus for a stereo delay, in stereo, send from the mono solo guitar track to the bus;
on the FX window,  put the left time delay amount at 260ms, put the right at 500ms, and mix them depending on whether you want the short echo to be dominant, or the long echo...


etc etc, it's infinite.

my question is, 


on LCR, and DAW Panning laws, since panning anything left or right makes the DAW impose extra gain on that track, does it make more SENSE to make the panning law be "Zero" gain, and you simply raise and lower the faders to suit the mix you want?

batsbrew


my question is, 


on LCR, and DAW Panning laws, since panning anything left or right makes the DAW impose extra gain on that track, does it make more SENSE to make the panning law be "Zero" gain, and you simply raise and lower the faders to suit the mix you want?

I think the whole point of panning laws is that you can set the levels before you know the pan position, and then adjust the latter without needing to change the former.  Or vice versa.
 
I you knew ahead of time exactly where each mono voice was to be panned, the usefulness of automatic level adjustments due to pan position would be limited.

batsbrew


my question is, 


on LCR, and DAW Panning laws, since panning anything left or right makes the DAW impose extra gain on that track, does it make more SENSE to make the panning law be "Zero" gain, and you simply raise and lower the faders to suit the mix you want?

You'll probably get different answers here with methods to their madness, but to me, yeah what you said makes sense and how I have mine set. From what I understand, tape decks have the gain thing going on when you'd pan something. Though, I've never noticed it like it happens when you enable that pan law in Sonar. Both my 1 inch and 2 inch machines never behaved that way to where I hear a noticeable gain increase when panning to one side. Ever do a mix with one pan law, get a new version of Sonar and use another and then load up an old mix? LOL!
 
But anyway, if I were doing the LCR thing, I'd definitely go the "zero gain" route myself. I never liked that whole gain boost thing with the pan laws. It's an option I always wished would be done away with as it's one more thing to confuse me and mess with. LOL!
 
-Danny