Wow ...what a thread and never got locked.
 
I have been reading lots of back and forth all over the inter-webs and it seems mass murder in the USA will not be going away anytime soon.  No one likes it, but 'whaddaya gonna do.  
 
Hopefully we can hold the line at military assault rifles with bump stocks and the NRA does not get SAMs, RPGs, Mortars and Field artillery pieces available for purchase at Wal-Mart.  
 
My only ask is that in the interest of honest advertising can we change E Pluribus Unum to "Stay Low and Keep Your Spacing"  
 
 

Linear Phase

Beepster
Looks like we're gearing up for some good ole Texas style immigrant bashing too.
 
That should be fun.

 
I'm Hispanic.  I don't know if it matters but my mothers side of the family is Venezuelan.  I was born in NY, my Mom was born in NY but my Grandfather and Grandmother on my Mother's side were both Venezuelan.
 
My Father's side of the family are all immigrants too.  I believe my Granddad who died post World War II fighting for the United States was born in NY but my Great Grandfather/Grandmother on my Father's side would have come from Eastern Europe.
 
Just, food for thought...   
 
Also, I speak Spanish...

Well that wasn't directed at you but it's always interesting to learn about my Cakewalk buds.
 
Cheers!

eph221
So you admit it's a problem (mass shootings)?  If you can admit it's a problem I'll listen for a solution. Otherwise we're talking past each other. 

ANY unjustified killing is a problem. Whether it is outright murder or negligence. Terrorism or or just some lone psychopath. Guns, knives, fists, cars, airplanes or the jawbone of an ass. Dead is dead. Tools are just tools. Using a different tool doesn't make someone more dead.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you. Evil people will always be there to do evil things. If someone is hell-bent on killing a bunch of people, he's gonna find a way. If he can't get a gun, he'll use a bomb. If he can't use a bomb he'll use a car. If he can't use a car, he'll use poison. Or a machete
Or an axe. Or fire.

You can't legislate away evil. You can't ban , licence, register, control every possible weapon. You can't control what is in people's hearts. Human ingenuity knows no limits.

I'm 75% Polish
 
The other 25%:

These are the only guns Poles are allowed to buy to fight communist oppressors.

 

Oh yeah
 
 
IBTL

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Country music though....
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.......it does get your goat.
 
 

Right. There will always be nasty, mentally ill freakwads in the world.
 
The idea is to not make their desire to harm EASIER for them... which easy access to firearms does.
 
Now this has been an ongoing point of contention in the gun debate for a while now but this story brings the point RIGHT home.
 
Bump stocks. Should they be legal? The answer is if you truly believe in at least some level of gun control and don't think fully automatic weapons should be easy available then you should be entirely against bump stocks... which are entirely designed to circumvent full auto weapons bans.
 
Now that's just an entry point to a much further analysis of this event and how it could have, at the least, been less deadly. Remember this guy was a completely law abiding citizen who had every right to own (under current laws) every piece of hardware in his possession.
 
So we are talking about a guy who was in ZERO violation of the law until he pulled the trigger... and managed to pull of the high score of mass shootings in the US.
 
I put the blame SQUARELY at the feet of the perp (and others like him) but if people can pull off this level of carnage without breaking a single law until the point of attack... well MAYBE there is something an eensy bit wrong with the laws as well.
 
But really... I'd like to know (as long as we're discussing it and the hosts seem to be ignoring this thread for whatever reason) first and foremost what our members think of the legality of bump stocks... which again are completely legal, designed to get around a perfectly reasonable bans on auto weapons (that most americans agree with... even the gun doods/doodettes) and absolutely led to an increase deaths and casualties in this instance?
 
Okay... GO!

Murder is evil whether there is one victim or millions. Cain murders Abel or the Nazis murder millions of Jews Gypsies, etc.

It is easy to get sucked into the emotional hysteria surrounding high body counts, but the number of murders that happen one by one takes a far greater toll.

All the perceverating about it is nothing but a smokescreen to district us from what we are unwilling to face.