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LaszloZoltan
 
sorry, but Las Vegas is not the world...the point being you do not have to accept such random mass violence as status quo/background scenery.
in a democracy, you do have the power to cause change- is it time for you ? 

I think the voters of Nevada probably already voted for a law against mass murder. It is unlikely they would ever vote for a law requiring the confiscation of all weapons capable of doing this from apparently normal otherwise law abiding citizens as this shooter is being described. Although the experience in Australia following their famous mass shooting was apparently effective in preventing further episodes, it is likely that even with such a law the citizens of our democracy who are most likely to repeat this would simply avoid obeying it, as this guy apparently did the murder law.

 
No but hotels can have their own policies.

Excellent point. I just checked and Mandalay Bay does accept small dogs (2 with maximum total weight of less than 100 pounds) and has a clear policy on Cannabis:
"Use of marijuana (weed), including but not limited to smoking, inhaling, ingesting, or using oils, lotions, or other transdermal introduction of, is prohibited at all MGM Resorts properties notwithstanding approval of recreational use in Nevada. State law prohibits use of marijuana in public places.  Use of marijuana is also prohibited in guest rooms at all MGM Resorts properties in Nevada, consistent with the discretion afforded private property owners under the State law authorizing use of recreational marijuana in non-public places." If you read that carefully, you will realize that it is use and not possession that is prohibited. Maybe the same distinction applies to guns.
 
It is notable for not having a published policy in their FAQ against fully or semi-automatic weapons or a limit on the number of rounds that can be kept in your room. Do you think two guns and twenty rounds would be reasonable? Likely such a policy would serve as a foolproof deterrence against guests intent on mass murder, as I am sure the Cannabis policy does against guests getting high. Under Nevada law a private property owner is permitted to exclude firearms from the premises, but that exclusion is not enforceable by law. So a NO GUNS sign at the front desk would have been perfectly within their right.
 
They do charge a hefty cleaning fee for smoking in non-smoking rooms. No mention is made of gun smoke, powder residue, blood or brain matter, which are therefore presumably permitted.

This is probably not the place for politics.
 
Guns will always exist.  Absolute power will have guns.  Absolute evil will have guns.  The 2nd Amendment seeks to protect the masses who are almost always, "unarmed, or disarmed."
 
Anybody politicizing this horrible tragedy should have their head examined.  My statement on the 2nd Amendment is not to politicize I'm just explaining for you the reasoning behind a Constitutional Right.

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LaszloZoltan
 
sorry, but Las Vegas is not the world...the point being you do not have to accept such random mass violence as status quo/background scenery.
in a democracy, you do have the power to cause change- is it time for you ? 

I think the voters of Nevada probably already voted for a law against mass murder. It is unlikely they would ever vote for a law requiring the confiscation of all weapons capable of doing this from apparently normal otherwise law abiding citizens as this shooter is being described. Although the experience in Australia following their famous mass shooting was apparently effective in preventing further episodes, it is likely that even with such a law the citizens of our democracy who are most likely to repeat this would simply avoid obeying it, as this guy apparently did the murder law.

To be fair, mass shootings were/are such a rare occurrence in Australia anyway that it's hard to say with any certainty whether the ban was really the reason why it hasn't yet happened again. I seem to remember someone having a damn good crack at it at a Lindt cafe in Sydney a few years ago though?

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Excellent point. I just checked and Mandalay Bay does accept small dogs (2 with maximum total weight of less than 100 pounds) and has a clear policy on Cannabis:
"Use of marijuana (weed), including but not limited to smoking, inhaling, ingesting, or using oils, lotions, or other transdermal introduction of, is prohibited at all MGM Resorts properties notwithstanding approval of recreational use in Nevada. State law prohibits use of marijuana in public places.  Use of marijuana is also prohibited in guest rooms at all MGM Resorts properties in Nevada, consistent with the discretion afforded private property owners under the State law authorizing use of recreational marijuana in non-public places." If you read that carefully, you will realize that it is use and not possession that is prohibited. Maybe the same distinction applies to guns.
 
It is notable for not having a published policy in their FAQ against fully or semi-automatic weapons or a limit on the number of rounds that can be kept in your room. Do you think two guns and twenty rounds would be reasonable? Likely such a policy would serve as a foolproof deterrence against guests intent on mass murder, as I am sure the Cannabis policy does against guests getting high. Under Nevada law a private property owner is permitted to exclude firearms from the premises, but that exclusion is not enforceable by law. So a NO GUNS sign at the front desk would have been perfectly within their right.
 
They do charge a hefty cleaning fee for smoking in non-smoking rooms. No mention is made of gun smoke, powder residue, blood or brain matter, which are therefore presumably permitted.

slartabartfast
Excellent point. I just checked and Mandalay Bay does accept small dogs (2 with maximum total weight of less than 100 pounds) and has a clear policy on Cannabis:
"Use of marijuana (weed), including but not limited to smoking, inhaling, ingesting, or using oils, lotions, or other transdermal introduction of, is prohibited at all MGM Resorts properties notwithstanding approval of recreational use in Nevada. State law prohibits use of marijuana in public places.  Use of marijuana is also prohibited in guest rooms at all MGM Resorts properties in Nevada, consistent with the discretion afforded private property owners under the State law authorizing use of recreational marijuana in non-public places." If you read that carefully, you will realize that it is use and not possession that is prohibited. Maybe the same distinction applies to guns.
 
It is notable for not having a published policy in their FAQ against fully or semi-automatic weapons or a limit on the number of rounds that can be kept in your room. Do you think two guns and twenty rounds would be reasonable? Likely such a policy would serve as a foolproof deterrence against guests intent on mass murder, as I am sure the Cannabis policy does against guests getting high. Under Nevada law a private property owner is permitted to exclude firearms from the premises, but that exclusion is not enforceable by law. So a NO GUNS sign at the front desk would have been perfectly within their right.
 
They do charge a hefty cleaning fee for smoking in non-smoking rooms. No mention is made of gun smoke, powder residue, blood or brain matter, which are therefore presumably permitted.

 
Please see my post about sarcasm.  However a hotel can ban guns of any kind if they want.  They can have a metal detector at the door.  Unfortunately, I think we've just entered a dystopia, or idiocracy with guns.

LaszloZoltan

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sorry, but Las Vegas is not the world...the point being you do not have to accept such random mass violence as status quo/background scenery.
in a democracy, you do have the power to cause change- is it time for you ? 
 

I'LL NEVER CHANGE!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

"To be fair, mass shootings were/are such a rare occurrence in Australia anyway that it's hard to say with any certainty whether the ban was really the reason why it hasn't yet happened again. I seem to remember someone having a damn good crack at it at a Lindt cafe in Sydney a few years ago though?
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Hi Sharke,
2 people died in the Lindt cafe,one from a police bullet ricochet and the general consensus is that no-one would have died if the communications channels had been more effective and the response better co-ordinated.
i remember going rabbiting around 12 years old with a .22 strapped to the handlebars.
now,even though i am a farm owner i need to show good cause to own a rifle,have an absolutely spotless police record and be subject to random checks for gunsafes and ammunition storage.only police and some security are armed in public and it is an offence for anyone to carry a concealed firearm.the legislation following the Port Arthur massacre virtually banned all military style weapons and this is to me the crux-hunting deer with a M1 is hardly hunting...
everyone has an inalienable  right to defend themselves but when society condones ready access to deadly force you have to consider the tradeoff between self defence and an effective police force to protect you rather than the onus on self defence. 
unfortunately,the gun culture is intrinsic to the US and no amount of legislation will ever force people to surrender their right to bear arms-especially in an increasingly violent world.
we were lucky in that we were able to tap into the horror of Port Arthur and change our culture,particularly regarding military style weapons and ammunition but unfortunately the massacres keep coming for you so the public grow more fearful and more likely to arm themselves-a vicious circle.
not being smug here-just thankful we have reduced the likelihood of these tragedies. 
peace,brothers!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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