2017/10/05 22:47:07
michaelhanson
Kenny....best post I've seen in 7 pages.  Remember, fertilizer can be a weapon, it was in Oklahoma.  Evil is hard to stop. 
 
2017/10/05 23:00:47
Beepster
michaelhanson
Beeps,
 
I am glad that you read up and educated yourself on some of the facts.  It makes it easier to have a conversation when facts are actually used.  
 
So, I will answer your question.  Yes, I believe that if someone can pass the extensive back ground checks to own a automatic weapon (which I have no desire) they should be able to be granted that permission.  Yes, I think it should be illegal to convert a semi auto to a full auto.  
 
Now comes the hard part, how do you enforce criminals from breaking the law.  Remember, this guy could care less that he would be breaking the law when he is breaking the biggest law of all, murder.  If your already going to kill yourself or go to the chair for murder, you really don't give a rats about semi auto conversion.  




See. Now I know I could (although we really shouldn't here... lol) have an honest discussion with you.
 
My position, for quite a while now, has been that if someone is willing to go through rigorous training, background checks, abide by extremely restrictive storage laws and accept ultra harsh penalties for breaking said laws then they should be allowed to own a friggen' bazooka.
 
If I were to take the 2A to mean that every citizen has the right to bear arms then I think the base level of restriction (at a federal level) would be a wheel gun style pistol, a shotgun and a bolt action rifle (one/maybe two of each) is allowed for each law abiding citizen. Anything beyond that would require a license/certification and graded the same way drivers license are graded based on certification.
 
And easy mod designs of autos should be banned. That's on the gun manus.
 
Cheers, Mike. You're a good cat.
2017/10/05 23:02:03
bdickens
I find it absolutely laughable to imagine a guy thinking to himself "damn! I was gonna file down the sear on this AR-15 so I can spray into a crowd and kill a bunch of people, but that would be illegal."
2017/10/05 23:13:14
Beepster
bdickens
I find it absolutely laughable to imagine a guy thinking to himself "damn! I was gonna file down the sear on this AR-15 so I can spray into a crowd and kill a bunch of people, but that would be illegal."



Uh huh. And that's why I said mayhaps these semi auto rifle manufacturers shouldn't be able to make them so easy to modify NOR should mod parts be so easy to get and most DEFINITELY a start would be to ban the "external" mods that quite clearly are designed to work around the "internal" mods ban.
 
So are you for or against fully automatic weapons being available to the general populace?
2017/10/05 23:17:27
michaelhanson
Cool Beeps,
 
So now the next thing you should read up on is understanding semi autos.  Most hunters use semi autos for hunting, both shot guns and rifles.  Most hunters have multiple fire arms to have different calibers and different guages.  It would not make sense to shoot small game with .306.  Similar, geese might be a 10ga, ducks a 12ga, quail a 28ga.  We are not even getting into guns designed for self defense.  A 22 may be used for target practice, or to teach you son or daughter to shoot.
 
So you can see, the average hunter or farmer for that matter, might easily own 7-8 guns.  So, no, I disagrees with you on limiting quantities.  
2017/10/05 23:34:50
Mosvalve
Here's a question, Do laws stop crimes?
2017/10/05 23:42:58
bdickens
Mosvalve
Here's a question, Do laws stop crimes?


No, they don't. Laws CREATE crimes.
2017/10/05 23:43:01
michaelhanson
No. Laws keep the honest, honest. Does making pot illegal stop people from using pot? Did prohibition stop the use of alcohol?
2017/10/05 23:48:27
Mosvalve
bdickens
Mosvalve
Here's a question, Do laws stop crimes?


No, they don't. Laws CREATE crimes.

I don't know about them causing crimes  but they are just to punish for crimes committed.
2017/10/05 23:51:26
Mosvalve
michaelhanson
No. Laws keep the honest, honest. Does making pot illegal stop people from using pot? Did prohibition stop the use of alcohol?

Laws always kept me on the up and up for the most part.
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