You're talking past me.  We'll get nowhere.

What flea markets are guns sold at? Which ones? You mean that there are FFL dealers at flea markets?

That is just another version of the "unlicensed dealers at gun shows" canard. Perhaps you have some information the ATF might find interesting.

I've noticed too that a lot of anti-gun peiple also have amateur psychoanalysis as a hobby.

Sharke makes a good point. The idea that the police will be there to protect you is a fantasy. When seconds count, the police are just minutes away. Actually, in some places it can be hours. And to everyone who wants to pretend that violent crime doesn't happen in rural areas I have two words: crystal meth.

As far as the likelihood of needing to defend oneself, it isn't about the odds, it's about the stakes.

How about this fact dorothy:  59 people are dead.  I'm thoroughly read in structuralism and Hegel.  You're just setting up troll points to avoid the truth.  Both of you are talking past me.  You have no creative solutions.

As a Las Vegas, I only have one thing to say...
Really, you guy?
 

 
 
 
 
 
 

Sorry rain how are you doing? 

eph221
How about this fact dorothy:  59 people are dead.  I'm thoroughly read in structuralism and Hegel.  You're just setting up troll points to avoid the truth.  Both of you are talking past me.  You have no creative solutions.

Nearly that many people are murdered every weekend in Chicago. Where is the National outcry over that?

Almost twice that many people die EVERY DAY in automobiles in the US. Maybe we should require people to register their cars and get licenses for them. Oh, wait....

Yeah, it really sucks that almost 60 people were killed, and hundreds wounded. But the facts (there's that word again) is that tragic as these mass murder events are, they are a statistical anomaly. Not to be callous, but when you make public policy based on emotional knee-jerk reactions to extremely rare and unlikely evemts, you make bad public policy.

Hegel? Really? That's supposed to be impressive? Talk about someone who used a lot of words to say nothing. I for one am not impressed by whoever you misread and misunderstood.

Bark,bark bark. No one's gonna take your transitional object away.  The truth is there are two radical world views going on here. One operates at a high level of abstraction ( those corny academics the dogs so despise).  The second world view (yours apparently )doesn't recognize abstractions as fact. Bark bark bark. Talking past each other. We can't even agree on the definition of a fact!

Typical. You people can't compete in the arena of ideas, so you have to resort to obfuscation and personal attacks. The rest of us were trying to have a civil discussion.

nod and a wink!

Some people just don't get it ...There are a lot of sick twisted people in the world ...It has always been that way all through out history .
A few days ago it was automatic rifles ...2000.00 years ago it was sticks and clubs , then knives and swords ...
These weapons just don't jump out of bed  and decide to go on a killing spree . It's the persons who wield the weapon that make that decision . No amount of regulation is gonna change that . Criminals laugh at law abiding citizens because they do not play by the same rules ..If anything the rules and the laws that law abiding citizens have to follow  give criminals an edge and a sense of comfort  ...
Because of this , the criminal will always use the element of surprise ... Remember they do not follow the rules 
 
As far as someones 2 cents on guns STFU if you don't have anything intelligent to say .
If you happen to have something intelligent to say back your $hit up 
 
Here's what I got to say . I am alive today because I was involved in a domestic situation when I was young where a person was trying to kill myself , my mother and my 2 brothers ...
My Mother god bless her soul had one in the chamber , reluctantly she shot and killed the perpetrator ...
I was there and I can tell you there is a big difference between what really happened and what the media said happened . 
Having survived that lethal confrontation I can assure you that I am not somebody you can just walk up to and try to rob while I'm standing in line someplace looking like a bewildered sheep  
Oh BTW , the perpetrator was my father ...so there you have it folks ...some of the sickest people in the world may even turn out to be a relative or next of kin ...
 
As far as what happened in Vegas , Yes I do feel sad for all the people that were involved ...it is tragic
All sorts of nice people are suffering because of a deranged persons disregard for the value of human life and the actions he took.
To inflict his will and sickness on all these innocent people....the carnage and suffering was very high ...
The thing is where I live everybody is on edge ...
I was out w Duke a while back near a playground and an off duty Sheriff was playing with his grand kids ...
He didn't know that I knew he was a Sheriff ...
In our conversation he start pumping me up for info ..I don't blame him , he was standing next to a 6 foot 200 pound plus long haired biker looking dude walking a dog that would be considered a Schwarzenegger sized Pit Bull  ...
Duke has + 40 pounds on a typical Pit
 
After a while I lean into him and tell him I'm out here everyday like clock work , I keep an eye on all the children and their moms ...I see all kinds of stuff while I'm out here ...Then I tell him all you need to know is I am law abiding , I'm college educated and I have been trained in other areas ...
Then I lowered my self down and put my face and nose less that 6 inches from his face looked him in dead in the eye and told him I know who you are and I know what you do ...Trust me , if and when the $hit hits the fan out here and if your out here when it happens you are gonna be very happy that I'm on your side ...
He stepped back and looked at me and he saw that I wasn't effing playing around ....
For the record you will not find me anyplace walking around in a situation like an unarmed sheep in a daze hoping that there is somebody out there that's gonna save my a$$ when the $hit hits the fan ...
 
that's all I got to say on that
 
Kenny