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  • Splitting a guitar signal to mic an amp w. FX and dry signal to interface. Advice? (p.2)
2013/01/23 12:19:17
FastBikerBoy
The effects loop is more for full blown fx processors rather than foot pedals. I use my effects loop in conjunction with a BOSS GT-6 and the 4-cable method. That allows the GT-6 effects to be used but I can still use the amps pre-amp stage in some sounds and BOSS emulations in others.

Works great in my live rig.
2013/01/23 12:25:43
Beepster
Ah, I see. I have Korg multi effects pedal thingy. Maybe that'd work. It's not the greatest for meat and potatoes effects like distortion but it's got some other really cool stuff and has volume style foot controller. 

I wish I could figure out what all the various ins/outs on the Traynor are specifically for but I can't find a manual for the thing.
2013/01/23 12:30:56
AT
http://www.sweetwater.com/c662--Single_Channel_Preamps/low2high


The ART tube Mp is a nice little tool for splitting.  Sub $50.  A rather fluffly preamp w/ the tube driven, but just consider that a bonus.


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2013/01/23 12:42:54
FastBikerBoy
AT


http://www.sweetwater.com/c662--Single_Channel_Preamps/low2high


The ART tube Mp is a nice little tool for splitting.  Sub $50.  A rather fluffly preamp w/ the tube driven, but just consider that a bonus.


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Yep that's another one I've got as well which will do the job. I'd forgtotten about mine it's permanently set up in my live rig. Haven't opened the flightcase in months.
2013/01/23 12:53:30
Beepster
@AT... hmm. Nice looking unit but is it suited for what I'm trying? I'm assuming I'd plug into the 1/4" in, send to the stomp boxes > amp from the 1/4" out and then use the XLR out to send a clean signal to the interface multi in. But wouldn't the pre amp mess with the signal going to the pedals > amp?

Thanks. It does look nice. Just want to make sure it's appropriate for this application. Cheers.
2013/01/23 12:59:46
batsbrew
the problem with the line 6 outs, is that they are the output AFTER it's been preamplified....


if it were me, and i just HAD to have a direct out/clean sound for REAMPing, i'd do this:


setup the line 6 for the cleanest, flattest, most unaffected tone, but that has enough gain on it to be able to get your style out of that sound..... to be touch sensitive, and have dynamics.....

and let THAT be your direct out sound.

then use your little solid state amp, and with your effects, get the most bad @ss sound out of it that you can, and experiment with micing it up.


then, blend those two sounds together, and add plugs or REAMP using that cleaner tone from the line 6 outputs.


2013/01/23 13:08:40
Beepster
setup the line 6 for the cleanest, flattest, most unaffected tone, but that has enough gain on it to be able to get your style out of that sound..... to be touch sensitive, and have dynamics.....

Yeah, that's pretty much what I use it for. It has a totally dry setting but I prefer using the Hi Watt sim and getting a super crisp clean tone. Then I add whatever effects from there. You make a good point about using the Line 6 for the clean signal and the Traynor for the mic'd signal as the Traynor is a much better sounding amp. I probably would have stumbled into that line of reasoning eventually but thanks for the kick start. I wouldn't be able to use the box AT posted without an XLR to 1/4" adapter though so I'd have to look for a splitter that had two 1/4" outs... unless I'm overlooking something.

Cheers.
2013/01/23 13:12:17
Beepster
If I bring my mixer into the fold or hook something up to the optical in of my Scarlett (like the Octo Pre or maybe my old Layla Echo 3G) I could also use BOTH XLR channel outs on the Line 6 and mic both speakers on the Traynor or have one speaker mic's and one inside the cab, or in the room... or even all of the above. That'd be sick!
2013/01/23 14:01:11
tlw
A quick warning re DI boxes. Avoid Behringer active ones, or at least get one from somewhere you can return it to, just in case. They used to be pretty good for the price, but changed the pre-amp chip a few years ago with the result that the DI box itself can be very noisy. I've come across examples that produced over 40dB of hiss.
2013/01/23 14:34:27
Beepster
Thanks for the heads up. I like Behringer stuff well enough but I avoid it for anything crucial like this. Good inexpensive rig for live stuff or band rooms though. I've got an old console made by them that I keep around just in case. Wouldn't record through it at all though. Just ain't suited to the task. Cheers.
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