2013/01/02 21:11:40
davdud101
Once again, this thread is more for the opinion-side of things (although this one in particular is open to a more technical definition). 

I'm pretty much wondering, how do you guys go about really creating a memorable tune? Do you do it with the vocals? Vox style? A particular instrument? Theme? Chord progression? Maybe even a dance/video to go along with it?

I'll list a couple of songs I know and reasons they are memorable (for me):

  • Baby (Justin Bieber) - Chorus's lyrics
  • Ain't No Sunshine (Bill Withers) - lyrics "Ain't no sunshine..."
  • PSY - Gangnam Style - lyrics (being Korean and memorable), dance+video, large poppy instrumentation
  • Beat it (Micheal Jackson) - lyrics "Beat it...", guitar solo

2013/01/02 22:48:46
57Gregy
The melody, the singer's voice, the lyrics, if they relate to your own experience or are funny/witty.
The virtuosity of the instrumentalists.
The feeling.
2013/01/02 23:57:26
savageopera
 A timeless song is one that touches a stranger's soul. The ingredients are a mystic recipe stumbled upon by a sensitive chef, then sauteed' to perfection. In other words...how long is a piece of string?
2013/01/03 00:56:22
bapu
IMHO, what makes a song unique is a blend of the familiar (without being over trite or ripped off) and fresh mixture of melody, harmony and rhythm. A great lyric can't hurt either.
2013/01/03 02:12:11
Rus W
Well, since uniqueness is different to many people, it could be a plethora of things.

Usually, when people ask me, what kind of songs do I like I often say whatever sounds good to me - though I may throw out specifics because the music catches me first or  catch it.

I was saying to Mom in our fairly short theory session on the way back was how I couldn't help but subconsciously analyze tunes (from a harmonic perspective although I analyze other parts, too) and she "When it's in you, it's in you!" and she's most certainly not wrong!

But for me, it'd be most certainly who sings because I have my share of favorite artists (though I still may not like a particular song for whatever reason). 

The memorable melodies

And considering I like arranging/reharmonizing tunes, I may get the idea to put my twist on it.

But yeah, I know you said to nix the technical stuff (ie: composition/arrangement of/production), but those things go into it, too as music is a form of identification and whatever makes a song unique (whether it be the song itself, the artist, production team, etc.) means that one can instantly identify who did what -- especially if they've heard the artist/material before.

As I said, pretty much everyone on here can identify me when it comes to hearing a piece I've done - even if I don't tell you whether or not I had both hands or just one finger on it.

The "trite/ripoff" stuff! I think people need to lay off those terms because we all know that nothing is original anymore when you get down to the nitty-gritty! Folks seem to confuse the concept with the idea because I hear all the time: "So-so's run out of ideas!" Yet, I have yet to here about "Embarking on a new concept," as concepts are what generate ideas.

Love is a concept, but one can have many ideas as to what love is. Music is a concept, but one can have many ideas as to what that is. I could go on ...

Sorry, for the mini-rant and it wasn't directed at anybody. It was only a general statement.

As I was saying, there are many ways to help listeners identify with songs - even ones you may not like. They are as unique as the one listening to them.
2013/01/03 04:58:56
Danny Danzi
To write hooks, you have to listen to music that is hook oriented. If you listened to death metal all day long for a month, your hook writing skills would not be any better. If you listened to super out of the box jazz, your hooks would not come. If you want hooks, you have to live hooks and understand how they are created.

As a guitarist, it was very easy for me to practice, learn scales and shred with my 80's heros. However, "phrasing" was something that was NOT in my style at all at first. Guitar was more of a scale sport to me. I'm glad to have grown out of that, but the stuff I learned in that time is priceless to me now. You see, phrasing is a totally different animal and ISN'T so easy because it is NOT a boxed scale pattern that you just learn. You can't teach phrasing anymore than you can teach someone how to write a memorable hook or how to be melodic.

Melody, hooks, they are all feelings. But rest assured, if you surround yourself by bands that are famous for infectious hooks, they will rub off on you eventually and you will find yourself singing melodies that belong to you. It's ok to be inspired by a song and use its formula while playing a few parts backwards. This is how we grow. Leaning how to come up with hooks is like studying anything else really. The more you search and learn about them by listening to, playing along to or even covering a famous song, the more you get in the "infectious hook" frame of mind. But you really have to go deep into it. Whether it be popular country or the pop/dance/R&B/soul genres or heck, even little kids music....the hook is where you need to concentrate. Grab any Disney movie and listen to the music. The hooks are brilliant even when the soundtrack is NOT sung or performed by anyone famous.

Justin Bieber..brilliant with hooks even though quite a few he hasn't written himself.

Britny Spears....great hooks.

Janet Jackson....awesome stuff..

Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Michael Bolton, Richard Marx, Journey, Bon Jovi, MJ, Prince, Luther V, Alicia Keys, Beyonce`, Def Leppard. Yanni, Kenny G, Keith Urban, Chesney, Dolly Parton, NSYNC, Boyz 2 Men, Black Crows, Alice in Chains, Foo Fighters, Goo Goo Dolls, Gary Moore, Doobie Bros, Foreigner, Styxx, Queen, Boston....like them or hate them, these are some of the hookiest artists of all time in a wide variety of styles in my opinion and what I've listened to for melody sense, infectious hooks, vocal delivery, and some darned good songwriting.

To think and write hooks, you have to surround yourself with hooks as a good starting point.

As for "unique" and the title of your post, I hate the word as it is misused in music and had been 50% of the time it's used. Unique to me means something different that is also something great that sticks out in a good way. The word unique these days is given to a large scale of artists who just plain, outright suck...period. When someone can't sing or play well...the downfalls of that artist are often times classified as "unique". "Unique and suck" years ago....wouldn't get you a record deal. Today, it's the standard norm for the majority of artists in my opinion.

Marylnn Manson to me is unique in his own way. I'm not a fan, but he's got a very different style to him with theatrics and a few good hooks with nice agression. KISS was unique, MJ was unique, Van Halen was unique. These bands were trend setters even if some may not have totally created a style or borrowed a bit from others that ended up being a fresh style over time. Unique to me is totally different, mind-blowing, inspirational and fresh while delivering the goods in a language that people can relate to while being accepted as also being really great at your craft. Instead, the word is more used for underachievers most times....so I stay away from that word unless someone I hear truly deserves it.

-Danny
2013/01/03 07:58:32
Kalle Rantaaho

(I use quotes by the word "unique" for the reasons found in Dannys post)

I believe trying conciously make  a song memorable or "unique"  seldom works. Building a composition is not normal math, because in music making 1+1 can make 5 and 25+78 can make 15.
Of course, sometimes a single hook, great guitar riff or such can make the whole thing fly, but the performer or lyrics can sabotage half of it.  I believe you can make "hits of the day" using the trendy sounds and riffs of the day and finding a trendy performer, but there's no recipe for making evergreen hits. 

IMO, the evergreen, "unique" songs mostly get greated when factors that you can not pre-calculate are united.

There are brilliant talents or teams, of course, whose creativity and personal approach produces always good stuff and often "unique", but it's not something you can write a recipe for. There are also those, who are the fastest in catching what's in the air, and succeed simply by being the first one. Those often become evergreens. For the less talented, a concious effort of being "unique" most easily leads to something that sound pretentious, calculated, clumsy...you name it.


As for what I do...
My songs are very much based on lyrics, so I only try to make a melody and arrangement that supports the text enough to make the package work.
2013/01/03 08:51:10
Noisy Neighbour


No rules here. Just write/compose whats coming from your heart and it will be unique.

Regards,
Daniel
https://soundcloud.com/user9149108/highway







2013/01/03 11:26:09
whack
Memorable and unique are very different IMO.
Memorable for sure is Justin Beiber's chorus, but it is far from unique.

I would echo what savageopera said, its the mystic produce of your consciousness that produces that beautiful flow of creativity, don't get in the way of the music is what I heard once and only now am I getting to understand what that means.

Danny is pretty experienced when it comes to this stuff he has seen a lot more that most people here and his post is very informative. I've no problem creating pop hooks, very easily in fact, however I have often been labelled as being "generic" i.e. without uniqueness and hence I've started to listen to more abstract non-produced artists to help me steer out of that box a little.

You do realise that very few artists have the whole package and that the reach the masses publicly they are generally thrown in with a team of lyricists, musicians, choreographers, producers etc to create the "package".

Cian


2013/01/03 11:59:12
jamesg1213
''WHAT makes a song unique?'' I think it goes back to another recent thread - actually having something to say gets you halfway there.
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