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2018/05/22 12:51:49
Midiboy
I think the original post is more like a going out in a blaze of glory "Closing my Facebook account" message in order to get people to comment back to try to convince him otherwise and to just garner unnecessary attention, other wise the post would have been more like this:  Hey guys, I am concerned about an issue that happened to me on the BL website.  I uploaded a song and someone yada yada."  Can someone help explain what happened and what I could do to prevent this?  I would like to continue using this website, but am concerned about my rights."

The thing is...the Cakewalk software itself has nothing to do with what happened.  The fact that the original post also says he is going to stop using the Cakewalk software by BL, kind of makes me think this is more about "Look me...I'm quitting, don't try to stop me" more than anything else.  Like I said...that's been happening on Facebook for years.  Why go out if you don't go out in a blaze of glory?  Or something. 
2018/05/22 15:58:27
stratman70
@Craig A
Sure do NOT understand your quoting me and then your statement? Has NOTHING to do with what I was saying to op. Perhaps you quoted the wrong post?
2018/05/22 17:51:50
Anderton
stratman70
@Craig A
Sure do NOT understand your quoting me and then your statement? Has NOTHING to do with what I was saying to op. Perhaps you quoted the wrong post?



I dunno, I hit "quote" and that's what showed up. I thought you were agreeing with Bobby about being bummed regarding people using his music without his permission. I added my comment because it seemed Bobby was bummed because of something he did unwittingly, not because of an inherent flaw in the software (other than a lack of clarity if people don't relate to the term forking).
 
Of course I agree wholeheartedly with what you said about just using the desktop software as a remedy for Bobby's issue. Frankly I haven't gotten involved with BandLab, at least not yet...I'm doing exactly what you recommended, leaving Platinum installed and using CbB for the updates and bug fixes. I certainly didn't intend to cast anything you said in a negative light.
 
 
2018/05/22 19:11:54
Johnbee58
Tom F
so in the end a guy shares something over the net and then complains others use it ?
 
he also did not check all the options eventually - what is it with that fork feature ?
 
then he complains about adult stuff - well what exactly is that ? where does it start - isn´t that quite subjective ?
 
finally only smart asses who are company related will answer he supposes ?
 
that is all a little over the top, unless you are a kid you should consider what can happen before doing something instead of starting a rant later.
 
the only thing that seems to be an objective issue is the bug regarding your list of users.
 
 


What if it was YOUR material?  Lighten up and get off your damned soapbox!  I'm sure you read all the fine print too, don't you?  This is new to most of us.  It doesn't mean he deserves to be taken advantage of!! 
2018/05/22 19:28:25
davehorch
meng
We do understand that the concept of "forkable" is confusing to some users as it's BandLab-specific terminology, ...



Most of us linux hacks know what a "fork" is and hence "forkable".  But yes, for everyone else, it's much better to change the wording and be very clear about it. AND make the default "nofork"
 
thx, -dh
2018/05/22 19:47:45
The Maillard Reaction

2018/05/22 21:30:49
slartabartfast
Brian Walton
 
Melodies and Lyrics are copyrighted the moment you record them.  The problem is the burden of proof in providing evidence that someone was the first to create them.
 
This is why people file a copyright, so they have the proof of when it was created/submitted.  




In fact you are on shaky ground on two points. The first is that copyright requires that you be the first to create a work. That is not true of copyright, which only says that you are forbidden to copy someone else's work if it is copyrighted. It is certainly conceivable that you could independently create a work that is in part or in whole very similar or identical to a work previously created by someone else without your knowledge. Since copying implies that you must have seen or heard the original from which you are copying, it is the burden of proof in an infringement case to prove that the infringer had access to the earlier created work. Since the burden in a civil case is the preponderance of evidence (more likely than not), and since the injured party can pretty convincingly claim that a published work can be easily found on the internet or inadvertently heard on the radio, you are probably not far off in a practical sense. But for a work that was not published, that burden may be unsurmountable. If you recorded yourself performing a song, put the storage media in a drawer and never shared it, then find that a couple of years later it has been made a hit by another author, you would be hard pressed to convince a court that the hit was an infringement. That is a case in which two authors had valid copyrights to the same work independently.
 
What US copyright registration provides is that the deposit of the work that you use to register the copyright can be used to provide prima facie evidence of your creation. That evidence can be rebutted, and since the Copyright Office does not investigate the deposit to see if there are already copyrights registered for it, there is the possibility that someone who heard your song could copy and register it before you if he is willing to lie on his application. So registration helps, but does not alone determine the original creation. If you were in the unfortunate situation of being the second registrant for your work, it might actually make your case harder to prove.
 
In countries that do not provide copyright registration, there are private repositories that will register your work in order to provide evidence of its creation, with most of the same limiting issues. Arguably, the publication of the work by uploading to a sharing site can provide similar evidence of creation (absent the testamentary evidence included in the registration document) and in most cases a date of the upload will probably be available. In addition you will have created a plausible source from which an infringer may be inferred to have heard the work prior to copying it. On the other hand you will have set the clock running on timely registration by publishing it. Yes, uploading to a publicly accessible site constitutes publication for this purpose and also subjects the work to the compulsory licensing provisions of the law. Since the US allows pre-publication registration, your best protection is to register the work prior to uploading it. 
 
The second issue is that people register copyright only to provide a record of the work's creation. In fact, registration is a requirement in the US to file a copyright infringement suit. You can register the copyright at any time prior to filing suit to meet that requirement, even after infringement has occurred. But timely registration, i. e. within three months of publication of the work, and prior to its infringement, provides you with the option to claim statutory damages of up to $150,000 at maximum for infringement of a work, and in some cases to have the infringer pay your court costs. Without statutory damages, you will need to prove that the illegal competition posed by the infringement cost you actual money that you would otherwise have received for your work. For a mega-hit, actual damages may well be much more, but the difficulty of proving actual damages for lesser works can be substantial, and the threat of a significant statutory damages award without such proof can be a major deterrent to casual infringement of lesser works, where litigation costs for the successful plaintiff may well outweigh any actual damage award. 
 
Finally, registration of copyright provides a way for potential users of your work to locate the author or his heirs in the event that they want to license the work and pay for it, and to put them on notice that the work is still under a valid copyright. 
2018/05/22 22:31:35
Serious_Noize!
Tom F
so in the end a guy shares something over the net and then complains others use it ?
 
he also did not check all the options eventually - what is it with that fork feature ?
 
then he complains about adult stuff - well what exactly is that ? where does it start - isn´t that quite subjective ?
 
finally only smart asses who are company related will answer he supposes ?
 
that is all a little over the top, unless you are a kid you should consider what can happen before doing something instead of starting a rant later.
 
the only thing that seems to be an objective issue is the bug regarding your list of users.
 
 



No, on all facets of your fake news assumptions. 
 
First off, I know about forking and sharing and such things, I asked the tech reps from Bandlab themselves and got very familiar with using the site. 
 
What you are missing is that there was a BUG and KUDOS to Bandlab for admitting that there was a problem to begin with, most sites would never do that. 
 
As for my music being used by someone else, it was not the fact that they used my simple chord progression, it was the fact that they took my song titled "Summer Days" and rewrote it calling it "Summer DRUNK" and used the chord progression to throw off on me personally, which I suspect it is someone I know in person/neighbors for real that I have a disagreement with some issues lately trying to agitate and irritate me. And yes, I am in the right on those issues. But legally I can't get into that here. 
 
Whatever the case, the issue with BandLab was resolved, but for now I will continue to use Cakewalk by Sonar until it has an error or fails to work at which case I will start using Cakewalk By Bandlab. 
 
I apologize to the Bandlab crew and everyone here if I upset anyone. But please consider what I just mentioned, this was something personal going on and it upset me very bady!
 
I would like to say that I got very quick responses from the BandLab crew, they are really doing a great JOB! And please don't take the fact that I am saying I am sticking with Sonar by Cakewalk for now as a knock, it is mainly because using Sonar Platinum with the latest 1803 update from Windows, it has worked PERFECT for me with ZERO CRASHES! And it also has all my needs with the plugins and such things, so I would be stupid to change until it becomes a problem. But I am very thankful for the fact that there is an option to install Cakewalk By BandLab if a problem were to arise and "Upgrade".  My point, if it ain't broke, Don't fix it, unless it's an upgrade and I don't use much Midi. 
 
Apologies for the rant folks, Bandlab is a CLASS ACT! They are the real deal in my experience thus far. I apologize to BandLab also for ranting, but I hope someone can see why this whole drama hit home with me. 
 
Either way, Cheers everyone! Take care and thank you for your feedback, I'm not perfect and nobody else is either, thank you all for taking the time to listen and reply here. 
 
Bobby
 
2018/05/23 00:08:50
Tom F
what exactly - besides sarcasm - do you expect when you make a rant in which you declare people replying that do not share your opinion as in house smartasses from the company ?
 
fake news - what ? because i resumed partial statements of your first post and because i say that you eventually were not informed well ?
 
smart ass company agents
fake news forum members
evil neighbours playing tricks on you via a music sharing platform ?
 
sounds a little exagerated - doesn´t it ?
 
i can understand that you don`t like people making stupid things with your music - but do you really think that the company is aiming at that ? the told you that there is a bug and they will fix it.
 
a little drama like - thats my opinion.
 
now one could be offended or not by this - it´s your opinion to not like my specific opinion :-) 
 
 
2018/05/23 00:22:26
Tom F
Johnbee58
 
What if it was YOUR material?  Lighten up and get off your damned soapbox!  I'm sure you read all the fine print too, don't you?  This is new to most of us.  It doesn't mean he deserves to be taken advantage of!! 




well maybe the threadstarter should not have stepped on the soapbox in first place.
 
btw. music of mine has been commercially used without my agreeing several times over the last two decades and generated profits for the wrong people - thats something that so to say happens very frequently in the music biz.
 
we have to be careful and we have to consider the effects of new technologies, programs or platforms.
 
and even then you can get fooled by someone who just tells not the truth.
 
but thats just the way it is - not every one acts within moral standards.
 
so besides my sarcasm the message to the op is: don´t worry to much - and don´t blame a service provider for a bad user behaviour - especially when you eventually have set up something in a wrong way.
the bug mentioned is only an additional factor but not the cause of the main problem.
 
 
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