hey
I wrote an arrangement and I've inputed the notes using the mouse.Is there a way to humanise the 'performance' or do I have to record each part on my midi keyboard ??
Many thanks
Kev
 

Thoughful editing of slight variance in note duration, and careful editing of accented note velocity will trump any automated randomization process that you can find.

Think of the things that composers and conductors speak to musicians about and then tell the MIDI to do that.


best regards,
mike

Quantize I think.... can be used to do that to one degree or another. 

I don't very often create midi like you described.... but I do recall that in Quantize there are adjustable settings for how accurate you want the notes to be. By experimenting, you can use a randomize the notes setting that will move them off the main beat by varying amounts with each note at a different amount within a parameter that you select.

One of the programs I have does have "humanize" function but I do not recall which one it is right now. I think quantize, properly adjusted will get you closer to what you are looking for. 

mike_mccue


Thoughful editing of slight variance in note duration, and careful editing of accented note velocity will trump any automated randomization process that you can find.

Think of the things that composers and conductors speak to musicians about and then tell the MIDI to do that.


best regards,
mike

hi mike
Im getting the velocity thing,for sure that makes a big differance.Ure prob right,editing is the way to go,lol it might just be less time consuming to record the parts on the keyboard :-) Thanks for your post
Kev
 

Guitarhacker


Quantize I think.... can be used to do that to one degree or another. 

I don't very often create midi like you described.... but I do recall that in Quantize there are adjustable settings for how accurate you want the notes to be. By experimenting, you can use a randomize the notes setting that will move them off the main beat by varying amounts with each note at a different amount within a parameter that you select.

One of the programs I have does have "humanize" function but I do not recall which one it is right now. I think quantize, properly adjusted will get you closer to what you are looking for. 

i tried the quantise setting,its still to rigid as it quantises everything by the same amount :( I'm prob going to record the parts in with the keyboard,cheers !!
Kev
 

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 I'm prob going to record the parts in with the keyboard,cheers !! 

Kev
 

Go for it, Kev.
"Humanize" introduces mathematical imperfection, but does not get the inflection that you may really want.
Deliberate variations, such as that slightly ahead of the beat note, or appropriate changes in velocity, are much more satisfying and effective if you play it live.
You can always clean up stray notes in the PRV if needed.

RobertB

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I'm prob going to record the parts in with the keyboard,cheers !! 

Kev

Go for it, Kev.
"Humanize" introduces mathematical imperfection, but does not get the inflection that you may really want.
Deliberate variations, such as that slightly ahead of the beat note, or appropriate changes in velocity, are much more satisfying and effective if you play it live.
You can always clean up stray notes in the PRV if needed.

yep,this is what I'm thinking too now ;-)

RobertB's right on the money. There is no way to humanize a performance other than to let a human perform it. So-called "humanize" functions only add randomness, but human variability is not random.

It's always better to play a part, even if your keyboard skills are sub-par. All you have to do is concentrate on the timing, not the actual notes - bad notes can be fixed after the fact.

...careful editing of accented note velocity will trump any automated randomization process that you can find.

Incorrect Mike. Here is a great plugin I got onto:

http://www.midi-plugins.de/mplug/mplug-hum.html

I had a tribute band come to me with a whole lot of midi files they wanted made to sound great. I assigned all the sounds to very good sounding synths etc. and the resultant sound was excellent. Except the drum parts. They were all quantized. I used Session Drummer 3 to play the drum parts and it did very well but they sounded way too quantized. 

Manually editing to humanize would have taken weeks! So your approach of manually editing is fine as long as the part is not that long but when you had as much as I had to do it was not an option.

This plugin did a very very good job. You can fiddle the settings easily. It can go from sounding perfectly quantized to a drummer who is quite drunk and not playing well! It was just a matter of finding the right settings and I got the drum tracks to groove very nicely and sound very human. I used it mainly on hats, kick and snare of course as they are they tend to sound the most quantized.

I am not sure about fast bouncing as I had to print everything in real time due to the external synths being used.

Hi Jeff,

May I refer you too

 http://www.theodorkrueger.com/music.htm

 http://www.theodorkrueger.com/player/


His work is done in PRV, and when you watch him do it it seems faster than most folks would play all the parts.

He seems to have great knowledge of how to express what he wants to express via the PRV.



Also, I do not believe that humans play both randomly and effectively, In my personal opinion it is one or the other. They may groove off the beat, but, in my personal opinion, if it is effective it is not random but rather a reflection of some intent.

Often times the intention is expressed intuitively and I have a great admiration for intuition. I personally believe that it is a great source of awareness that simply seems hard to describe in  detail. I think intuition does not preclude awareness or suggest randomness. In my personal opinion, even intuitive decisions are the result of subconscious intent and one can learn to recognize the building blocks with care and study.

Could it be the case that the plugin you have suggested has less randomness and more intentional programming?

best regards,
mike