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  • First song posted on the forum - Back to Reality by NOC
2016/11/26 20:51:29
Sam4246
This is the second song I mixed as a novice on Sonar.  In the last 9 months, everyone on this forum has been extremely helpful. 
Remember, I am an old fart, and after 9 months, still just a novice.  Done with SPLAT and Waves Platinum plugins and CLA plugins. 
First time using Melodyne (Editor 4).  The harmonies on the verse (with the clean guitar) created in Melodyne from the original vocal track, used Addictive Drums 2 - the toms sound awesome, the snare not so much, the ride cymbal is banging way too loud - at least that is my take on it.  This is a mix - have not mastered it yet - mainly because I never had mastering gear (remember, I am an old fart that started recording in the 80s).
Al Robbins - drum programmer, rhythm guitars, lead guitar, bass guitar
Marc Lewis - Lead Vocals, Background Vocals
 
https://soundcloud.com/us...713656/back-to-reality
2016/11/27 05:51:04
synkrotron
Sam4246I am an old fart


Hi Al,
 
There are quite a few here that can lay claim to the "Old Fart" title (myself in particular).
 
I've listened to Back To Reality and if, as you say, you are a novice, then this sounded pretty good to me. You obviously have the necessary skills as a performer. And the recording and mix sounded okay, although others here will have to weigh in on the finer points as it's not my area of expertise anyway. But, as a punter, dropping by your page, I thought it was a good all round piece.
 
cheers
 
andy
2016/11/27 11:10:09
eph221
Do old farts smell like carnations?
 
Really enjoyed this, thanks for sharing.
2016/11/27 12:22:23
Sam4246
Thanks for listening guys. Is there anything that you would change in the mix?
2016/11/28 23:26:48
Voda La Void
You're right, this song fits right in that 90's era.  Catchy tune and all.  You asked about mix so..I'm not the best at mixing either, but I'm listening through flat monitors on a flat EQ and the guitars sound a bit muddy, almost not there.  But cool, though.  You know what I mean?  Wasn't sure if you wanted that or not, because they make a great gurgle on that low chord when you strike it and I don't know if that would disappear if you tried to fix the guitar tone. 

Anyway, just my two cents...cool tune, from one old fart to another.
2016/11/29 00:56:32
emeraldsoul
if you are an old fart, don't eat any onions. you'll get tear gas.
 
OK, first off, cool tune! I hope you don't mind a little REM comparison, but you're more Pearl Jam in the vocal department. so that's a pretty nice hybrid!
 
Mix-wise, I'm not an expert, but I was listening on headphones. I'd take the jangly rhythm guitars on the left side, and lower their volume just a bit. Your main vocal is a little panned right? I might move toward center and increase volume - or perhaps the move itself might increase its perceived volume?
 
Bass guitar might be brought towards center as well? Was it panned a little left?
 
cool tune - did you "hpf" everything except the bass and kick? that might help eliminate any "mud"
 
I think this is a pretty good tune and a nice effort!
cheers,
-Tom
2016/11/29 06:20:15
Sam4246
Voda La Void
You're right, this song fits right in that 90's era.  Catchy tune and all.  You asked about mix so..I'm not the best at mixing either, but I'm listening through flat monitors on a flat EQ and the guitars sound a bit muddy, almost not there.  But cool, though.  You know what I mean?  Wasn't sure if you wanted that or not, because they make a great gurgle on that low chord when you strike it and I don't know if that would disappear if you tried to fix the guitar tone. 

Anyway, just my two cents...cool tune, from one old fart to another.


Yep - I was trying to get that muddy but dirty grunge guitar sound. That low chord is an open B chord on a seven string guitar. The guitars are tuned to E flat standard so the open B chord is really a B flat. Total guitar tracks are 4 - two played with lower chords and two played with higher chord and each set is panned one to hard left and one hard right. Thanks for the tip - I will try some different EQ to see if it brings out the guitars more.
2016/11/29 06:27:24
Sam4246
emeraldsoul
if you are an old fart, don't eat any onions. you'll get tear gas.
 
OK, first off, cool tune! I hope you don't mind a little REM comparison, but you're more Pearl Jam in the vocal department. so that's a pretty nice hybrid!
 
Mix-wise, I'm not an expert, but I was listening on headphones. I'd take the jangly rhythm guitars on the left side, and lower their volume just a bit. Your main vocal is a little panned right? I might move toward center and increase volume - or perhaps the move itself might increase its perceived volume?
 
Bass guitar might be brought towards center as well? Was it panned a little left?
 
cool tune - did you "hpf" everything except the bass and kick? that might help eliminate any "mud"
 
I think this is a pretty good tune and a nice effort!
cheers,
-Tom

Those onions get you every time, ha!

Yeah, the clean guitars are not balanced on the pan - definitely will fix that.
The main vocal is panned in center except for the outro - there are two main vocal tracks panned hard left and hard right on that part.
The bass is in the center too.
Ok, on the HPF - I did that on all tracks at 30 Hz since humans cannot hear that low. Do you think maybe it is the EQ on the kick drum and bass causing the mud? The bass guitar is a 5 string (again tuned to E flat standard) so when it hits the low B string it is a B flat note.
Really appreciate all the feedback!
2016/11/29 06:28:55
Sam4246
Oh yeah guys - I forgot to mention - I am the Al that did all the music - the Sam4246 is just my screen name.
2016/11/29 08:07:42
patm300e
I am a big fan of EQ holes to reduce Kick/Bass mud.  Unfortunately, I am at work and cannot listen to anything because they block almost everything (Except the forum :)
 
Here is more information about EQ Holes. 
http://therecordingrevolution.com/mixing-with-eq-carving-eq-holes/http://therecordingrevolution.com/mixing-with-eq-carving-eq-holes/
 
I have used this technique on doubled guitars emphasizing different frequencies with great results too.  Allows you to bring them up in the mix without interfering with the clarity.
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