2012/09/03 01:22:01
backwoods
Nice to see some fellow Hanon users in this thread! I used to hate that thing.  

I hope you get the cramping sorted out marcus3, maybe try slowing down a little and aiming for fluidity/even-ness. Always use a metronome.  Eventaully you'll be able to go through the whole book in one sitting from memory.

Disregard the advice about disregarding Hanon- it's a solid book. 





2012/09/03 02:01:54
droddey
I play the piano less than the guitar, but if learning the piano as a first instrument is anything like learning the guitar, some of it may just be concentrating so hard that you are fighting yourself. It's a big problem with newbie guitar players. You are straining so hard and squeezing so hard because you are tensed up from trying to play and get your brain ahead of your hands. Then later you realize that it takes almost no pressure at all to do the same thing.
2012/09/03 02:26:50
samhayman
backwoods


Nice to see some fellow Hanon users in this thread! I used to hate that thing.  

I hope you get the cramping sorted out marcus3, maybe try slowing down a little and aiming for fluidity/even-ness. Always use a metronome.  Eventaully you'll be able to go through the whole book in one sitting from memory.

Disregard the advice about disregarding Hanon- it's a solid book. 


Speaking for myself and many other colleagues of mine, our teachers used Hanon ONLY to address some specific problems. So if I had a problem with a trill in my 3-4 fingers, I would do one exercise from Hanon 10mins a day for a couple of days. But that's it.

The only reason why Hanon is hated by all is because Hanon is unmusical and completely boring and unexciting. Any idea how many students are put off by the sight of that book and quit playing altogether?! One needs a lot of discipline to sit through 60 minutes of mind-numbing repetition, whereas it takes much less effort trying to learn a Bach prelude or some Chopin nocturne or etude, which presents the same kind of challenges that Hanon does but in a musical context.

Apart from the total unmusicality of Hanon, it creates more problems than it solves. If you have a problem with tensing up like our friend here, Hanon will only amplify it and give you an RSI. If you spend one minute practicing a particular Hanon exercise meant to solve a particular problem as noted before each exercise, you spend one minute tensing up a particular set of muscle fibres which is not good at all!

Whereas in a musical context, you come across a bar which contains a trill or fast octaves of what have you, and that's it - you quickly move on to the next bit. This kind of practicing works because our brain is an amazing tool and there is something called post-practice improvement - the minute you play something, given that you are playing it in a correct manner, the brain will put it on the side and stay 'working on it'. Which is why the next time you play the same piece, you notice an improvement (again, if one is practicing correctly).

We don't practice our fingers. We practice our brain-nerve connection. When you "get that trill" it's not your fingers that are suddenly agile enough - it's your brain having learnt how to fire those neural impulses so that your fingers can play it smoothly and faster.

So there are things like post-practice improvement. There are also things like the anti-clicks that the brain creates when you constantly use a metronome - that's when your brain shuts out the metronome completely and it eventually makes your timing worse and completely destroys your inner clock and sense of pulse. It's good to practice with a metronome but only for a few moments to fix 'problem areas'.

I'm a concert pianist and I didn't just study how to play the piano. I studied music in a holistic way and I know the 'how' and the 'why' things happen in certain ways and not others. The most amazing pianists in the world do not spend hours a day slaving away at the keyboard - they just spend a decent amount of time practicing properly.

I reached concert level with barely looking at Hanon or any other "exercise" books like Czerny at all. All I studied was musical pieces without having to resort to boring study-methods.

In essence, I studied Music, not exercises!

"Of course, you can play scales, Hanon and Czerny’s Etudes for hours every day, but if you’re practicing incorrectly, there will be no progress. Even worse – if played for too long, these ‘boring’ technical exercises will not allow a complex development of your musical perception. Play them for some minutes before starting to work on the pieces, but remember to concentrate on the quality of the sound and on the arm posture as well!" ~ pianocareer.com (my emphasis)

2012/09/03 12:34:44
Beepster
If it is getting that bad you should talk to your doctor to check it out and then see about getting you to a physiotherapist. Yes it is expensive but you might only have to go once unless there really is some damage aside from cramping. They can show you some stretches and exercises to keep the tendons limber and build up strength. There are some therapists who deal specifically with music related injuries so if you can find/afford a session with one of them it's even better. For now get a couple of those hot/cold gel packs and keep one in the freezer. After you finish playing and the hand/arm is cramped up grab the cold pack and apply it to the area for 10 minutes or so and toss the other pack in the microwave while you ice the area. Then replace the cold pack with the warm one. Do this twice. It will take down a lot of the swelling which is what's causing the pain. Also ibuprofin (Advil) helps. If you have ever taken any kind of martial arts do some of the hand/wrist stretching exercises before playing and that should help a lot. I could try to describe some stretches for you but I'm not sure how well they will translate into text. Most of all though... a little pain is okay to work through but a LOT of pain means you should stop, shake off and wait out the cramp and then return to playing again. Practicing scales to warm up and simple patterns first will also help avoid cramping.
2012/09/03 12:37:52
Beepster
BTW I suffer from a condition that completely messes up my entire body so I am constantly battling cramps, pulled muscles and tendonitis. I have had to learn many tricks and techniques to keep being able to play... and it still hurts like crazy sometimes. Good luck.
2012/09/04 02:59:49
marcus3
Yeah do hanons mein teacher figure be best do some hanons on mein left hand to excessive 4th, 5th fnger. Also some scales. As for tech he not concern I pick up easy plus compose mein own work.

I did contact doctor they wrote for PT come out. Been waiting on some gloves sense July of 2011.
And sorry for your cramp not easy fight thanks and you to.  
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