Got the link in email, I don't have it yet but it looks like something that will help me understand better. Thought I'd share it.
 
http://www.groove3.com/str/compression-explained.html
 
J
 
 

I have bought a lot of their training tutorials sight unseen and never been disappointed. I am sure the same would apply to a compression tutorial. It will be very professional and well done. And it will be more general I would imagine making it useful for a wide variety of compressors that you may end up using.

I am going to get it as a sound engineering teacher and get the students to run it and practice doing what they may suggest in that tutorial. 

If you go to the Groove 3 website you can run one of the movies from this tutorial. It is called Common Controls and runs for 14 mins. Check it out to see if it what you may be after.

Thanks Jeff. I will do that.

J

  I have several Groove 3 products and have been inpressed by the good information they provide. Del

I also have several of their video's and maybe once or twice been dissapointed.....after all you cannot always hit it out of the park....but they do have good info....So it's no detriment on their part....and I have still always considered buying new instruction from them.

I did purchase this Compression video....I am only 1/3 of the way thru it.....in some of the lessons the man is very technical and I will end up rewatching this many times over. He does go  over all the controls you find on any given compressor....so this is good....and he explains to a point the math behind how the controls interact with each other so it will give you an great idea of just how they work together as a unit.

On the other hand I also have their "Effects" video and it covers Compression. (Generally) But for what ever reason I actually "Heard" the effect compression had on the samples used. In the video of this topic it is harder for "Me" to hear it actually work......but at least I know what I am listening for .......it's just operator error at this point ......LOL

But I'm thinking that at least with both of these and doing some rewatching along with some other personalized Compression video's I have the light will go on for me....

But in reality, for the price of Groove 3's tutorials they are well worth the money. If you compare them to say private instrument lessons 3 hours of run time for say $34 equates to just a hair over $10 an hour......which is cheap especially since you can re run them and pick up what you missed.......
and if you compare them to university lessons for an instrument two video's would still be cheaper than one Lesson there.....

Just my thoughts.
Clifford
 
P.S. I find these great to put on a USB stick, take them to work  and watch at lunch hour.......

  Truckermusic, I am interested in getting the "Effects' video and was wondering if the discussion on compressors was complete enough (I do have a basic working knowledge of how compressors work)so that I wouldn't have to get the video just on compressors. (not good in math). Anyway, "Effects" sounds like it just covers the basics, correct? And for the price I suspect that its not worth being to concerned over. I did want a good thorough video covering the different effects (reverb, compression, delays etc.) Thanks again

It might be a challenge to really hear the audio effects of a compressor well on a soundtrack to a video but I am sure it can be done. I think it's one thing to explain the principal operation of a compressor and even what the controls do but there is always room for improvement in terms of the process one goes through to get a good setting on any track or buss.

I have brought this up before but this thread that I started some time back does give some advice on procedure.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2116921 

If you start fiddling around in the wrong order you may end up not ever getting a good sound using a compressor. The reason Attack is good to set first because if its too fast it will jump on destroy any transients that are present. From that point on any setting of other controls will only vary how much of this you hear. But get the Attack right for the transient part of your sound or mix then you have already achieved a good start before moving onto Release which is also a bit elusive to set as well. This one is about the groove and how the compressor is returning back in terms of the groove. Smaller ratios make things sound bigger. Try using lower ratios and work up not the other way around. Threshold almost determines how much of that total compressor action comes into play over your track or mix now.

Don't rule out some great mags in terms of learning. Computer Music have recently released two editions of their mag devoted entirely to a subject. These types of editions are good value. No ads just great articles and tutorials on one subject usually. They also have DVD's full of great free VST's, sounds and the tutorials to practice with. There are two Computer Music editions worth getting right now. One on Effects and the other on Mixing. I have found here in Australia not all the newsagents have these mags and you have to look into finding the shops that do. 

Downloading the video now.

Also, Thanks Jeff for the thread that gives advice on the setup procedure.

Kind regards,
Rick

Del


  Truckermusic, I am interested in getting the "Effects' video and was wondering if the discussion on compressors was complete enough (I do have a basic working knowledge of how compressors work)so that I wouldn't have to get the video just on compressors. (not good in math). Anyway, "Effects" sounds like it just covers the basics, correct? And for the price I suspect that its not worth being to concerned over. I did want a good thorough video covering the different effects (reverb, compression, delays etc.) Thanks again

Del
The Effects Video is kind of generic in nature. It has to be because it covers 4 effects in a relative short amount of time....Yet for what ever reason on that video the light bulb of How compressors work went on for me......now I'm not saying that I am an expert or anything....in fact i will always say I'm a beginner because there is so much more I can learn for a bunch of people...in fact I have other video's and articles on compression and I learn from all of them....so that is a good thing.........But, for the very small price of that video it is worht it.....just remeber that it is generic but that is sometimes all we need....
 
A sfor the compression video, I am still not all the way thru it....it is very in depth......very...
But as of right now I would say grab them both.....the are both very good and at least you have a product in hand to show for your cash and you can rewatch to pick up things you may have missed!
 
Clifford

Jeff Evans


It might be a challenge to really hear the audio effects of a compressor well on a soundtrack to a video but I am sure it can be done. I think it's one thing to explain the principal operation of a compressor and even what the controls do but there is always room for improvement in terms of the process one goes through to get a good setting on any track or buss.

I have brought this up before but this thread that I started some time back does give some advice on procedure.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2116921 

If you start fiddling around in the wrong order you may end up not ever getting a good sound using a compressor. The reason Attack is good to set first because if its too fast it will jump on destroy any transients that are present. From that point on any setting of other controls will only vary how much of this you hear. But get the Attack right for the transient part of your sound or mix then you have already achieved a good start before moving onto Release which is also a bit elusive to set as well. This one is about the groove and how the compressor is returning back in terms of the groove. Smaller ratios make things sound bigger. Try using lower ratios and work up not the other way around. Threshold almost determines how much of that total compressor action comes into play over your track or mix now.

Don't rule out some great mags in terms of learning. Computer Music have recently released two editions of their mag devoted entirely to a subject. These types of editions are good value. No ads just great articles and tutorials on one subject usually. They also have DVD's full of great free VST's, sounds and the tutorials to practice with. There are two Computer Music editions worth getting right now. One on Effects and the other on Mixing. I have found here in Australia not all the newsagents have these mags and you have to look into finding the shops that do. 

Jeff
(with all due respect to you cause I know you know way more than I do here)
I some what agree with you on being able to hear the audio effects on a video.......but with this one I actually did.....it was crystal clear...He used it on a snare drum and as he did so he said "listen for this" and then play the sample......for what ever reason (maybe casue I am old an decrepit) I have a VERY HARD TIME hearing compression on tracks and in instruments as others do....it takes me a long time for it to jump out at me.....but on this video he made it real simple and I actually heard it so it gave me a starting point at which to point my attention......
 
but that is just me......
 
On the Computer Music Mag......
1. I totally agree with you concerning their "Special Editions" like Mixing and Effects etc...
2. If you are finding a hard time at the stand try on line.....it takes me about 3 weeks to get it once ordered but at least is shows up and it is easy to snag...
3. about the tutorials.....just be a bit careful cause sometimes they leave steps out.....(by mistake of course I am sure)
4. I have been using them for a few years now and they just keep getting better....5. but they are a nice reference souce
 
anyway just my 2 cents.
Clifford
 
P.S. I used your approach referenced in your response above on many occasions and it did help me a lot....it was a great starting place for me....