2012/08/09 07:22:55
The Maillard Reaction

2012/08/09 07:46:07
trimph1
droddey


IMO, if someone can't be bothered to turn a volume knob in order to save music from destruction, I can't be bothered to much to make any music he likes. If everyone would do the same, then everything would be at the same appropriate levels with good dynamics. I don't remember getting up for every song back in the day before this all started and constantly adjusting the volume knob, mostly because the music we listened to was created by professionals with good sense who did what was right for the music.
I'm going the exact opposite...hardly any volume at all....

2012/08/09 09:29:22
Rus W
^ LOL This you really do not want. No volume is just as bad as too much volume (Limiting)

The song on the CD is so low, when I switch to the radio ... 

Then again, John Cage that exact piece where that sound lasted 4'33. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E

Silence is golden!!
2012/08/09 09:36:38
trimph1
I keep kicking my butt about this because I used to know a few peeps in Boston MA that used to do strange things like record the sax...but leave the recorder at some ridiculously low level...and then play it loud..so all you hear is this faint hint of the sax playing but with barrels of hardly anything but hiss in the background...

2012/08/09 18:17:28
droddey
The loudness wars was something driven by marketing, not by musical considerations. Then it went on so long that now you have a generation of kids who think that anything not flat-lined is somehow wrong. It's pretty pathetic, and another nail in music's coffin because it leads to less variety.
2012/08/09 19:47:12
The Maillard Reaction

There are no loudness wars.

and

There is a wider variety of recorded music, available today, for any human to listen to, then ever before... IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE AS WE KNOW IT.




best regards,
mike
 
2012/08/09 19:59:01
droddey
If you think there's no loudness war, you can't be actually listening to any music. There clearly has been one for a long time, and it's driven by marketing concerns. I guess you could say that there's no 'war' anymore because everyone has already dropped enough atomics bombs that there's nothing left to war over I guess.

As the second point, that's one of those statements that are true but meaningless. The fact that it's available means nothing if it's not actually listened to. The vast, vast majority of music being made is heard by almost no one. It's being made based on the mistaken belief that all you have to do is create something and the world will beat a path to your door. This has been proven incorrect innumerable times in the entire history of the universe as we know it.

The music that people actually listen to in large numbers is almost all highly artificial and extremely dynamics limited. That music effectively defines what this decade will be remembered as musically, as does the popular music of every decade. It also controls what music can actually make money and therefore make it likely that people will get financial assistance to help them do it as a professional.
 
There are probably a couple million books written every year. You have access to all of them. How many do you go out of your way to consume? How many of them are ever known outside of a small group of people, barely or insufficiently large to sustain the author? Probably most of them. In the music world, everyone can 'publish' their work, with the delusion that they will be discovered and made famous. But in actual fact it mostly just dilutes the value of the people doing the actual good work, and certainly it dilutes the value of people putting in the years of time required to become highly proficient on an instrument, when they could just make dem beatz, yo.
 
2012/08/09 20:59:34
The Maillard Reaction
Here's a few good ones I can recommend:



















;-)
2012/08/09 21:35:44
trimph1
droddey


The loudness wars was something driven by marketing, not by musical considerations. Then it went on so long that now you have a generation of kids who think that anything not flat-lined is somehow wrong. It's pretty pathetic, and another nail in music's coffin because it leads to less variety.

How would you explain the examples you yourself just posted in that other thread? Or Gotye? Or a whole slew of others?




2012/08/09 22:27:52
droddey
Which ones were those? I don't remember which, but if I posted them most likely they are not remotely mainstream, and probably barely squeaking by.
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