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2010/10/08 19:15:22
Guitarhacker
Randy..... yeah dude.... I know CS plays PRS...and I know there have been discussions on CS's sound, guitars, amps, stage rig, recording rig, the amp sims with "carlos rigs" in them and so forth....  four threads since April on CS... this is 5 I guess.


I play Gibson...cord...boogie...when I play live.... and I don't intentionally try to sound like CS, I just play, having a booge automatically gets you a sweet tone happening..... I do like that sweet singing distortion that I get from that combination of guitar and amp....

Atlanta Rhythm Section summed it up... "Lay down a back beat crank up your trusty Gibson....son!"

I don't hold anything against a guitar player who wants to sound like CS..... To come in to a forum on post #1 like Willie did and make the outrageous statement that he is the only guitar player who can get that sound.... uhhhh no he's not.... it kinda struck me wrong and getting off on the wrong foot in a new forum..... unless he's a spammer trying to sell something, in which case, he likely won't be back.

No hard feelings...just an observation.
2010/10/08 22:34:07
zungle
Why on earth would you want Santana's sound?



Santana I can handle........


Over at the MY LP Forum everyone wants "Slash" tone........
2010/10/08 22:50:36
marcos69
zungle



Why on earth would you want Santana's sound?



Santana I can handle........


Over at the MY LP Forum everyone wants "Slash" tone........


It's a crazy world
2010/10/08 23:31:13
Thatsastrat
Well I gave a listen and the OP did have a nice tone. Was it 100% Carlos? That's totaly subjective.
The OP is proud of his work, and his ability. Just not very humble about that ability. I say this is a great idea for the song forums, to have a give us your best Carlo sound. Be that in a cover or just in style and tone. I would be interested what the many good players here could come up with.
2010/10/09 08:58:52
Guitarhacker
Thatsastrat


Well I gave a listen and the OP did have a nice tone. Was it 100% Carlos? That's totaly subjective.
The OP is proud of his work, and his ability. Just not very humble about that ability. I say this is a great idea for the song forums, to have a give us your best Carlo sound. Be that in a cover or just in style and tone. I would be interested what the many good players here could come up with.


It would be fun..... give say... 30 days.... record your best CS  (or other?) copycat guitar tone......  might be some takers for that.
2010/10/09 09:26:42
The Maillard Reaction
Why does PRS use the names of Gibson executives for their guitars and pickups?

I thought it was to help you remember that a PRS is a homage to the Gibson tradition.

Santanna = Gibson P90 or PAF into a hot rodded Fender Princeton Reverb with a speaker that can take the abuse. I'd be curious to learn more about the speakers used on Abraxas.


best regards,
mike



2010/10/09 12:53:44
batsbrew
there is no glory....

in copping someone else's sound.

2010/10/09 14:19:44
Philip
Ah!

A NewYorker whose not afraid to reveal his self-portrait.  Why the Carlos Santana cult?  Why not the Jimmy Page cult?

Worse, I wonder what the op would think of sample driven guitars in today's loopster ruled world.  IOWs, how would I ever integrate Carlos Santana in anything pop (for the here and now kids)?
2010/10/10 11:51:25
Eotm
I wonder what the op would think of sample driven guitars

I think the OP should make the Carlos Santana loop library. Then his place in history would be cemented in all its glory.
2010/10/13 10:23:52
Soundtrapper
Willieguitars


I'm not just saying this like everybody else on here but I'm the only one that was able to achieve that sound  everyone is asking about. Getting the true sound of Carlos Santana.
If you check out my youtube site and see all of my Santana cover videos I'm sure you will be convinced.
Here's the link and if anyone has any questions about gear please feel free to ask anytime.
I have been playing and studying his technique, tone and his music for nearly 40 years.
www.youtube.com/willieguitars


Willie, for me to understand I'll need your input.  
"I'm not just saying this like everybody else on here"  - who is "everybody" and exactly what are they saying?
You lead me to believe that EVERYBODY here is claiming to sound like Carlos.  If that is what you're saying I don't agree with you. 
 
"I'm the only one that was able to achieve that sound  everyone is asking about"- Well I thought you said they were claiming to sound like him and now you're saying they are asking how to sound like him...which is it? Well either way if you think you're all alone...I sure don't want to put a bug in your soup.
 
"If you check out my youtube site and see all of my Santana cover videos I'm sure you will be convinced - well that's just not possible...I haven't heard (nor seen) all the others that you claim to be out performing. And my other question from confusion is, how do you know you're the only one? Is that an award, contest, self-proclamation or what? I just don't understand that and you didn't explain.
 
"Here's the link and if anyone has any questions about gear please feel free to ask anytime." - thank you but not really interested in gear. My VG-8 has a fantastic Carlos pre-set that I've never needed.
 
"I have been playing and studying his technique, tone and his music for nearly 40 years" - Willie your persistance is amazing...forty years.... I'm very glad you achieved your goal. So what now? Or, who now? With there being so many guitarist with their signature sound maybe EVH would be a good one...the brown sound...
 
I also believe that mocking another guitarist is a great way to learn. One spending the time to learn another's picking technique, choice of equipment and reasons why, theory application and aspects of use are all ways of increasing
one's knowledge of the instrument and abilities.
 
I subscribe to a magazine that features popular artists equipment list and signal chain for the interested. Although my personal interest are more directly to the way the musician "feels" or the "attitude" and playing traits such as "licks" or favored modes (how or what they think or build on), I do enjoy looking at their gear choices for no particular reason. The reason I'm not that interested is that my interest is in learning how to make software sound real. Since I will more than likely never be on stage again the real challenge to me is getting the amp sims to sound real...now there is a real challenge..sht it only takes a few turns to dial in an amp. Well maybe longer for some and I understand it can be hard for them. After all the history of dialing in tone from an amp only goes back to the '50's I reckon. And really, how many doing the one man DAW need all that space and hardware?
 
Challenges of the guitarist....that's cool and once again, I'm glad you feel you reached a goal you set. You sure have a confusing way of saying it though. (at least confusing to me and that really doesn't matter)
 
 
 mistake corrected-I wrote VG-88 but it's been to long since I used it- I think it's a VG-8 
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